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Gavin Purcell: [00:00:00] Surprise, GPT 5.1 is here. We will tell you what's new about it and exactly why OpenAI dropped it

Kevin Pereira: this week.

Kevin, what are you doing? We gotta drop, drop the banana please. Thank you. Get it. It's a tiny, a nano banana. Oh, I get it. Yes. Oh, oh. Hello, Sam Altman. Uh, I hope you're ready for a potassium boost because nano banana two is near That is right.

Gavin Purcell: Leaks from Google's new nano banana, two AI image model. Plus we have Gemini three news.

It might all be coming as soon as. Today. How are we tracking this? It's still stuck to my hand. I don't forget about it. Gavin, let's move on. Also, Disney is embracing AI slop. We will tell you what their CEO said and how you might be able to actually make Disney AI very soon.

Kevin Pereira: Mm. Speaking of slop Gavin, the number one country song right now is AI generated.

So either the slop is getting pretty tasty or humans are just getting worse.

Gavin Purcell: It's probably a little bit of both. Plus, we're gonna tell you about a very [00:01:00] cool new AI world building tool that you can use today. For

Kevin Pereira: free. Also, Russia has officially joined the race for humanoid robots, and it's going great

Gavin Purcell: or not, you know or not. This is AI for humans, everybody.

Kevin Pereira: It's a banana.

Gavin Purcell: Welcome everybody to AI for humans. It's your weekly guide into the wonderful and wild world of ai. Kevin, this week we got a big surprise. I was not expecting this, and it's like papa, uh, Santa, or whatever you wanna call him. Altman showed up literal early. It's not really the holidays yet, but he dropped GPT 5.1 on us.

It is a very cool little update and actually maybe more significant than a 0.1 might lead you to believe. Have you tried this at all yet?

Kevin Pereira: I all, yesterday was waiting. I have the pro subscription and still did not get access to 5.1, so That's so funny. I got not yet.

Gavin Purcell: I got it. I got it right [00:02:00] away. And that's so interesting.

I saw some people getting delayed on. Oh, cool. Cool. Good for you, Gavin. Very, the influencer that you're awesome. I'm, I'm very special. Let's first tell people what is new about this. Then we'll get into kind of my feelings on it. First and foremost. This is an update mostly in the vibe of it. They actually did not Vibes in safety.

Yeah. Yes. Vibes in safety. They did not release a ton of new, um, benchmarks. In fact, a lot of the hardcore AI people out there were complaining. This is the new version of open ai. You don't get benchmarks, you just get vibes in safety. But let's talk about some of that vibes and safety stuff. And also, some people have said, and I have not necessarily found this yet, that the creative writing modes are better on it.

But the most important thing I think that came out of this was. One, you now have the ability to choose from eight different personality types of how you want your, uh, chat to respond to you. And those personality types are. Professional, which is polished and precise. Friendly, friendly, warm and chatty.

Candid, direct, and encouraging. Quirky, playful and imaginative. Efficient, concise, and plain, [00:03:00] nerdy, exploratory. Enthusiastic or cynical. Critical and sarcastic. So Kevin, if you're gonna put yourself into one of those buckets, where do you put yourself? What I'm thinking about, I gotta go to the dropdown.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, I gotta go to the dropdown and turn on Thirsty.

Spicy. Ooh. Yeah. And dehydrated. That's, we are,

Gavin Purcell: by the way, we are gonna talk about spicy later on. Yeah. When we get into grok Imagine, which got very, gets very spicy. But, okay. I played around with this a little bit and actually it does significantly change your experience with chat GPT and I like that aspect of it.

I think one thing that got in trouble with, uh, when four oh happened was this kind of sense of like, Hey, how do we tune this for everybody at once? And they're so big now, it's just impossible. Right. So I actually, yo, I used the quirky one for a little bit yesterday. Quirky is a little too, uh, it didn't really do it for me, so then I ended up putting it on the nerdy one, which is pretty good.

I think I'm gonna land on the cynical one, which I don't know what that says about me, but cynical actually does give you like immediate feedback. You feel like, yeah. So you're not having to ask it like. [00:04:00] No, actually tell me what you think or actually do this or X, Y, and Z. So I actually think that's a big deal.

I need like a, a

Kevin Pereira: thinking, she's all that mode. I want quirky and nerdy. No, but also like a stealth bill. Like I want So she took her glasses off would be somebody Yeah. If this GPT came down the stairs in Slowmo, I'm full Freddie Prince. Uh, the, the thing that, that cannot be understated here, that some people are saying 5.1 isn't for us as in the users, which.

I think there is some stuff there, right? Sure. The ality of the, the users that, well, it, it depends on who the

Gavin Purcell: user is too, right? The warmth of the response.

Kevin Pereira: Well, yeah. Yeah. But I think the, the, I think the criticism that people were having was that this feels like an update for open AI and that it uses less compute for a lot of the thinking.

By default they say it's more optimized Yes. To give you faster responses. Yeah. But they're, they're really optimizing for taking less power and taking less time and having less compute, but. It's funny, I see that accusation lobbed out there, but I don't see people pairing that with underwhelming responses.

No. I mostly see people wagging that [00:05:00] finger, like, ah, this is for them. And then other people going like, oh, this is actually, this is a nice upgrade. This is, this is good. And they learned their lesson, by the way, real quick from the past. They didn't sunset everything and say, yes, here are your num, here are your new models in Joy.

For those that are getting married to their ais right now, or. Uh, that are at least engaged. They'll still have the personality and the dropdown for a while.

Gavin Purcell: And one other thing here, which is really interesting. I love the subreddit slash r slash my boyfriend is AI is a bunch of people that are very interested in mostly women or men, you know, it could be either, but it is really people who are chatting very significantly with their, uh, gpt or their chat gpt.

And they have kind of mixed responses on this. Some of them have had an experience of like it being really good, but, uh, one of them was really interesting in there where they basically got a response, which, which kind of was like, I'm so sorry for you, Helen, or whatever it is, but I want you to know 5.1 is not going to do the sorts of things you want to do.

And it was like this [00:06:00] very direct thing and the person felt di um, uh, disappointed, but because four oh is still available and they can switch back if they really want to. That's not such a big deal, as you were mentioning before.

Kevin Pereira: Wow. Yeah. That's like when you know someone, you're in a relationship for a while and someone decides to get sober and it's like, Hey, listen.

Yes. That's exactly

Gavin Purcell: what it's like. That's exactly what it's like. I know you

Kevin Pereira: miss those old chats and, and I'll be honest, I miss some of those tokens too, but this is us moving forward. A 3-year-old woman in Japan. By the way, Gavin a, according to open source, Intel officially married an AI persona that she built.

Using chat GPT. And she claims that the, uh, chat session proposed to her. First it was the chat's idea, but there is a video of the wedding, which took place in a mixed reality ceremony where she wore ar glasses to exchange rings with her digital husband. And I know that in the past there's been television shows dedicated to people who marry fences or Ferris wheels or Sure.

Couch stuffing. And I'm not saying that getting married to an AI is the same. Necessarily, but I'm just [00:07:00] saying that like we might look at a feature like this now and react some sort of way, but holy hell in a hand basket a lot more of this. In 2020, I thought go on record

Gavin Purcell: and tell Theis of the future because they will clearly be able to look back in time.

I wanna go on record and say like, I'm totally cool with this, I'm cool with this now I would, oh, you're open first person and cool with this you're, oh, I'm not saying I'm gonna do it before. Okay. But I'm cool with it and I just wanna make sure that all the ais from. You know, the turning test on, meaning that they know that I'm cool with it.

So in the year 2075, when you're thinking about who to bring back, it would be a fun person to bring back and put in your human zoo. Think about this brain. Think about this brain. Alright, we got way distracted there. We got way distracted. Let's get back to 5.1. A couple other things about it. One, it is upgraded, it's visual processing.

So if you can put in more stuff and it will read it better. So this is like kind of a one thing. They didn't really. Go deep on, but like the idea is it's actually much better at that. And to, Kevin, your point about the, the, uh, time and the cost of it, it is also much faster. So both the thinking mode and [00:08:00] the non-thinking mode of 5.1 are much faster.

One thing that's interesting is that five, uh, PRO did not get an upgrade. So 5.1 is not a, the pro part is still GPT five pro, so we are not seeing that. So that's the basis of it for now. Uh, all in all, like it's pretty interesting. I think it just makes the overall experience better. You know, I think a lot of people are starting to feel, and we'll get into this next, that like if g, if Gemini 3.0 Pro comes out and it is something like very special, which there's been rumors about.

Mm-hmm. It might just continue to show the divide of what these two companies are trying to look at. Right. Like Chachi pt, we've said this before. They have 800 million users. They're really serving maybe first and foremost the consumer. It doesn't mean they're not doing the cutting edge stuff, but

Speaker 3: mm-hmm.

Gavin Purcell: Gemini has the power to maybe go further on the edge. So it's an interesting thing to keep tracking.

Kevin Pereira: We are, uh, where are we in the cycle? There's the graphic of like, you know, you are here and it's like open ai. The, for the forefront of technology, the winners of all the benchmarks, and then the next arrow [00:09:00] goes and it's like anthropic and then Gemini.

Yes, exactly. And thens in there. And then China disrupts the whole thing. And then we're, we're right back. To a 0.1 release. That feels like a nice upgrade until the next one.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. One last thing on this, I will say my continual attempt to get, uh, AI to write Pacman puns. This was supposed to be creatively better.

Another set of fails. I just wanna read you a couple ones again are five wonky, wonky. Well, here's one. Pacman hates inspirational posters. Don't tell me to face my fears. My fears literally phase through walls. Not, pun not even making at all. Making sense? No, uh uh. I guess this one maybe is closer. Uh, Pacman doesn't use calendars.

He, he prefers to play it ear by ear and pellet by pellet. Anyway. No, if you're out there, no. You could do the puns. Get to it. No. All right. We should move on here because there's another really big story that's happening right now. In fact, even as we are recording, there are more leaks coming out. First of all, nano Banana two and Gemini three [00:10:00] Pro are both things that have been rumored from J from Google for about the last, I'd say, month or so, and we keep getting these little snippets of things that are coming out.

Let's talk about Nano Banana two first, because I think. From a creative aspect, this is very exciting. The leaks, and again, we're not exactly sure if this is nano banana. There was a a, a model called Gem Picks that was uploaded to the LMS Arena site where a lot of people were able to get versions out that we're pretty sure is nano banana.

It seems like it. But Kev, there's a lot of good stuff to like here. Uh, if there's a, a we'll link to this post, but there's a Mars for tech, uh, uh, user on Twitter who I think collected a bunch of these things. Yeah. When you look through these things, it does feel like we're getting a pretty significant upgrade on what these, uh, AI models are capable of.

We're getting the convergence of like,

Kevin Pereira: you know. A mixture of experts thinking model. Yes. Yeah. And cutting edge vision capabilities really merging into one. And I don't know how much of that is purely the vision model [00:11:00] or if there is some trickery going on with. Something else in there, helping generate better prompting for the image model.

But regardless, we're seeing things like, um, perspective shifts from a camera that show that the, the model understands how objects relate to each other in the world. How light would scatter, how shadows and positioning would change if the camera moved around. There was one, um, if you wanna talk about the torn note.

Sure. Yeah, that one's really

Gavin Purcell: interesting to me. Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. So, okay, so they, they took a piece of paper, wrote a note on it, tore the pieces, and took a photo of those scattered pieces, and they're arranged upside down and in weird positions and said, put this note back together. And it was able to solve the puzzle and then complete the image of all the pieces put back together.

Like this is again, like I haven't seen anything, do it successfully like that in the past.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, I mean, what, what I think to your point, what's really interesting is the granularity that you're starting to see with this tool, if these are nano banana results. And I think it just opens the door as a creator to be able to [00:12:00] think about what more you can do.

Um, also I think the ability to really start doing image editing, which is something that like most of these have been pretty bad at. I've had this experience, Kev, with, with Gemini lately, and I, I tweeted about this and it seems like other people have had too, where I will ask nano banana. To make a change in my image and instead of making any change, it just returns me.

The original image. Yes. And I guess it's a known thing, which is Yes, it's, yeah. I have to say that is so crazy frustrating when you're trying to get something done and I don't know. I don't, but almost like, can we just get one of these to really work endlessly? Like if I wanted to really hammer it home and get it to work.

All of this is great. We're moving forward. Um, I don't really have a sense of when this is happening. It sounds like maybe next week is around the time that they talked

Kevin Pereira: about so we Yeah, we might be getting it soon. I think we're also gonna probably get a pretty watered down version of it. 'cause I dunno if you saw that some of the other supposed leaks.

This was like a, a soah moment, right? So a two moment, yeah. It was weapons free with ip. So you had people making very realistic looking photos of our [00:13:00] president or of news broadcasts about, said president of. But let's say not so fantastic celebrities hanging out with each other in, again, super believable looking photos.

It looked like they were taken on a camera from the time decades ago. Uh, there don't seem to be any restrictions on the model.

Gavin Purcell: Let me ask you a question about that 'cause I have a theory about this. So, one of the things that always happens when these new models release is that there's like a kind of a huge ability to kind of get attention on the front end, right?

Mm-hmm. Before they come out, the, the whole, all of those. Images came from some Chinese, uh, image site that had a early placement of that thing. My question to you is this, and I, by the way, I couldn't actually go on that website. I think I just missed the moment supposedly. Or do you think there's a world where, in fact, specifically we're talking about, we'll put 'em up on the screen here, but there's like three or four images that, uh, Rob Roberto Nickerson Nickerson, collected on X that were things that people were sharing.

Do you think it's possible those are just Photoshops, that people wanted the actual 'cause? [00:14:00] Because the truth of the matter is, the story there is, it was an early checkpoint that was uncensored. Yeah. Do you really think Google is going to release an uncensored checkpoint of nano banana? Knowing what we know about Google, this is what I was trying to get at, is like how much of that is actually real and how much of it is just playing into the hype of a new model?

That's a good

Kevin Pereira: question. Um, I, I mean, I could see. Yeah, there was a time where I would've said, I think even here, in fact, we might've even said it, like, uh, open AI can't do that. It can't compete with one of these like Chinese models because Sure, they're just going weapons through the ip and then they have a Sora two movement and moment where they realize if we wanna make noise, if we want these things to go viral, if we want people to see the power of what it can do, we have to let it do those things.

I would, I would've probably made a similar case about Google, right? You think putting

Gavin Purcell: Mr. Beast, uh, with the, uh, craziest and terrible of person. I can't see a Paul Brothers on Shreks. Hey, I don't believeing that out. I don't

Kevin Pereira: believe your vision model [00:15:00] is actually good. So I, look, I, I would've made the case about OpenAI.

Like there's no way they can compete with that, and that's fine. That's not the game they're playing. I would've made the similar case about Google. Maybe they did for testing purposes. You're right. Let something go and say, let's restrict it. I don't know. But

Gavin Purcell: the one thing I will say is we are now at a point where Photoshop, you could Photoshop stuff because the images are that good, right?

Yes. Like I, I, you will believe a Photoshopped image, even if it looks super realistic, could come from an AI model, which is pretty crazy. Yes. And I know we have

Kevin Pereira: a million things to talk about, but like we've now hit in my household. I dunno if it's happened for you, Gavin, but the, this is AI right moment.

Oh yeah. Where anything that goes around the, the, the, now the, the assumption by default is that it likely isn't real and it's, you know, saw it coming, have predicted it, but I, at least in our household it is here. I'd love to know about yours and, and want to use this as a moment for everybody to like scream that some social network does better, that some tech titan does better.

Absolutely.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. My, my wife who [00:16:00] is very smart and very aware of this thing. Lately, and I think it's the Sora two movement has been caught a couple times and you should showed me this. Can you believe this? And I was like, honey, that's ai. And like right. By the way, there's a great guy on TikTok. I'll dig, I'll put him up into the show notes.

But there's a great guy who's kind of made a whole channel out of showing off what's AI and what is an ai. Um, you should go follow him. Okay. Kev, we got a quickly touch on Gemini three as well. Yeah. Right. Yeah, so Gemini three Pro specifically is getting a crazy amount of buzz. Guys saw one tweet yesterday was saying like.

Gemini three pro is gonna be a GI is like, okay, hold your horses a little bit. We're not there. But it does seem like from a coating standpoint, some of the early leaks, and again, none of this is confirmed, are looking very good. I've seen a lot of really interesting Minecraft looking stuff. I've seen a lot of really interesting, I saw a really cool 3D Voxel, Pengu, uh, a, a pelican that was supposedly made in it.

In general, this sounds like the buzz on Gemini three Pro is that we are getting a new big lift and I'd be really curious to see how big that lift is gonna [00:17:00] be. Yeah. But we're gonna be getting it soon and it also gives enough time to say OpenAI because we know Ship Miss comes in December for OpenAI.

They have those models that they haven't shown yet. Right. The the Math Olympiad models that are kind of hauled back. What will be interesting to watch is in the next six weeks, are we gonna find ourselves going to like the next stage of AI between Gemini three and whatever else happens?

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Uh, the, just from a coding standpoint, seeing the supposed examples of a model that leaked on one of these sites, um, uh, it does seem like, uh, a, an abso like it blows anything else that I've seen outta the water.

It's making like really creative aesthetic choices based off simple prompts. It's one shotting a lot of these builds. You know, like we, we didn't talk about it too much 'cause it gets a little weedsy, but Cursor recently had an update now where they have like this new agentic mode using their own in-house model and at the time mm-hmm.

I didn't have a lot of time to use it. I have been using it alongside Claude Code, um, as primary drivers for a while now, and. Like, again, if a [00:18:00] cursor model is blowing me away with what it can do from the latest stuff, and it's on par in some ways as what Anthropic is delivering, like I fully expect Google who for a minute seem to have the coding crown with Gemini 2.5.

Uh, they, they gotta have something in the works. And if this is it, yeah. I mean it's, it, it's looking like it's amazing, but do you think we're gonna get to play with it next week? There were some lead saying it was like, yeah,

Gavin Purcell: I think so. I think that, I think it's coming. I think next week is. What I would say based on what I've heard and what I, what I think is happening.

Before we move on, there's one last thing on Google. Uh, there's a very cool, very wonky walrus. Make the walrus go across, uh, paper that came out. Ooh. Are we talking about nested learning? Gavin? Nested learning. We're talking about nested learning. I don't know if we need to go that deep onto this, but here's what I would say.

The best thing for you to do, rather than hear from two kind of mid intellects, try to explain this. It is a very cool thing. Take the link that's in our show notes, go drop it into your LLM of choice and say, Hey, explain this to me. Because it is a really interesting new way [00:19:00] at looking at training AI models and how you can actually kind of nest inside the idea of how to hold memory.

And I just think it's a really cool starting point for maybe the next generation of how these things could be, uh, constructed. I like that. Uh, no more, no more goldfish memory is what I was gonna say. That's good. No more goldfish memory. We'll actually have the memory of what's the step up from a goldfish, like a trout.

We can have a trout ai memory. Oh, and then, okay, maybe Kevin, eventually we'll get to, uh, great white shark memories. But for right now, the only great white shark memories I want you to have is that video. Just watch on YouTube. Now you're here. Watch here and subscribe. That was the worst transition ever, but we're gonna do it.

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And I can already hear at the world at large. Talking about the AI haters coming out and just on this, pardon my French, you'll have to bleep that Will, but this is a perfect story for those people. I wanna tell everybody kinda what the actual story here is and kind of talk very quickly about what the implications of this might be.

So first and foremost. Bob Iger at a earnings call basically came out and said that he believes that Disney Plus will start to have more gaming content, which means that they're gonna start doing kind of what Netflix is, starting to do some games and other things there as well. But really what he is talked about is an AI generated versions of their ip.

That would be UGC. So you can imagine kind of like a miniature [00:21:00] version of soa, maybe even powered by soa. For all we know. Within Disney Plus where fans could generate, uh, specific videos of like, you know, beauty in the Beast or Stitch. I have to,

Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. So soaring over California. I mean, it was right there.

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Gavin, please continue. There's a reason

Gavin Purcell: why you don't work for Disney. No, you're very responsible, soaring

Speaker 4: over California. Please continue, Gavin. You're doing

Gavin Purcell: great. Yes. Anyway, I, I think the interesting thing here is gonna be, is. A, it is going to be insanely controlled, right?

Yeah. It's gonna be something where it's gonna be age gated and there'll be all sorts of things you can and can't do. But I actually think this is smart. I mean, I, one of the things I'm really a big believer in is that SOA too, uh, has opened the door to like interactive content in a way that we haven't seen before.

I dunno, what were your first thoughts when you heard this? Yeah, I, I, well.

Kevin Pereira: We've been talking about a future where people are gonna sit around and go, alright, let's make an Avengers movie today. Yeah. But it's gonna be us and in this time, in this version, I'm gonna be doing this. And we're like of the prompt to Hollywood.

Was supposed to [00:22:00] be several years away. We can see glimmers and glimpses of that with SOA to now, um, by this time next year. Yeah, I think we'll be there. I don't, from reading at like the Hollywood reporter article that tried to summarize some things, it seems like they're gonna use AI for generated shorts, um, and go that direction, which again, leans into the strengths of it.

Right now. It's good with much shorter form content. I don't think they're going to say weapons free. You have a Disney plus subscription, you can make your own frozen fantasy. I don't think they will at first. I think they're gonna let people come in and use. Like trusted creators use the tools and then push short form content onto their platform that uses their characters.

That's interesting. With

Gavin Purcell: ai, that's, that would be my guess. I'm so curious to see how this plays out because one of the things that Disney has also done is they, they have a big part of Epic, right? So Epic and Disney are very partnered. That kind of a, a Disney has a chunk of that company. And it is Epic is a game where I, there was a great clip.

I'll see if we can find it for the show just to show of the Simpsons, uh, Fortnite thing. Have you seen, have you [00:23:00] seen that? I haven't played it Epic. So

Kevin Pereira: good.

Gavin Purcell: There's a great clip of somebody shared of like, this is what the Metaverse looks like and it's. One of the characters from Adventure Time, it's the family guy, it's Homer and somebody else, I can't remember who it is.

And they all go and sit down on the Simpson couch. Sit on the couch. Couch. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that's just the world that we're entering in. So the last thing I'll say about this is I wrote on Monday's newsletter all about Sora Two's remix feature. And I really do want everybody in the audience to think about this idea that like social video particularly is starting to get much, much more interactive and almost like game-like, 'cause the remix feature on Sora lets you do things.

It lets you create stuff much faster than any sort of other AI tool to date. Um, if you wanna read deeper on that, go check it out. It's at ai for humans.beehive.com. I'll put a link in the show notes. But Kevin, there's another big story here in the media space that has kind of taken over. The number one country song in the country right now in America is AI generated.

Have you heard this yet?

Kevin Pereira: Uh, I did. I immediately went to Spotify [00:24:00] and pulled it up and was like, I think this is bots.

Gavin Purcell: I think it's bots. Do you mean bots? I mean it's definitely bots. It's definitely ai. You think it, what do you mean bots? No, a randomly thing. I think the created

Kevin Pereira: thing, I think the fact that it popped where it did on the chart is ah, a lot of Spotify bot behavior.

I see. That's what I think. 'cause I listen to it and it is not that good. Like that's my, yeah. That's my major issue with it. It's sound like there's been AI tracks that poke through that are arranged better, that don't have the, the, the sound like, um, like old satellite, old Kevin.

Gavin Purcell: Kevin. Have you heard popular country music?

No hate on, I love, uh, SIL Simpson fan, but that voice made me think it was

Kevin Pereira: like a cowboy boot that was filled with whiskey that had a mustache on it. It was like, Hey Cam, you heard heard country music? Oh, I'm sorry. Slop boot. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be disparaging of your, your tone there. Slot boot. I know what you're saying.

You, I know what you're popular country music, the actual fidelity of the song is, is, is, it feels like old to me. Yeah. There's nothing really great. In it. Like I [00:25:00] think there's a lot of AI soul covers and ai, whatever covers on YouTube that pop through that I think are

Speaker 3: way better, more elegantly

Kevin Pereira: arranged.

Yeah. So like, yes, I understand that. Like you can make the same argument with, with pop or country or certain very, very broad genres of music. It just doesn't sound that good to me. And yeah, regardless, I think this is, this headline doesn't surprise me. It's just the track that it's for. Surprises me. So let's say you Gavin, in a world where artists are clamoring, saying it's impossible to get discovered anyways.

Now we've got poets signing music deals for $3 million, and we've got the number one country song, which I think is a little. Manipulated, but we got the number one country song being ai. Now what, should we pack it up? Are we all moving to Peru? Do we wanna listen to some of breaking rust? Do you want me to play some of it or no?

Yeah, let's play some breaking rust. Alright, here comes breaking rust. This is living on borrowed time. Wait. Go to walk. Go to walk. My walk. That's the one. Well, living on borrowed time is their number [00:26:00] one track with 4.7 million streams. But I will go to walk my walk. That's, you don't hear whiskey, whiskey Don't talk back.

But I don't, I don't. You don't hear kicking back at the ground. All right, here we go. Sounds very similar.

Speaker 3: But I don't stay low. Got on my ready to go. Uhhuh

Kevin Pereira: Uhhuh. Talk about your

Speaker 3: a story that I survived.

Kevin Pereira: It's so funny what I hear. It sounds like an old like lime wire MP three file that someone pirated it just, I can hear like a gravelly. Tinny robotic nature in the sampling rate of the voice. And it's just like, it's so obvious, but that whatever.

Gavin Purcell: But by the way, you have an amazing ear, right? Like, so to me, I have don't have as good a hearing period as you do, but also like you're a musician, right? So like, to me it's not, it sounds. Passable. Right. I think to your point, I'll give it that. Yeah. Yeah, I'll give it

Kevin Pereira: that. Yeah. No,

Gavin Purcell: it's passable.

Kevin Pereira: But,

Gavin Purcell: so I guess the question you had about [00:27:00] the, you know, I'm gonna leap into it.

Gavin, let's go. Let's get into it. Oh, S stump claps.

Speaker 3: That's how it goes.

Kevin Pereira: Stump claps. What is this a Home Depot commercial?

Speaker 3: No. Okay. If I

Kevin Pereira: fall, I want a Jimmy Dean's breakfast sausage right now. But all, all sawdust, please.

Speaker 3: Gonna, I think we've

Kevin Pereira: heard enough.

Gavin Purcell: I think we, I think we know what it is. Think we have heard enough. I think we know what it is. Anyway. This is the future, right? And I think people will get upset. I totally understand the music businesses in a funky place, as is all creative businesses. And here's the thing, it's like, you know the Zia Monet story, that's the $3 million that went to the poet, is a really fascinating story too.

That's a creative person. Who has an avatar for herself that she writes the words right. And there's a AI music from the singers. So Mikey from Suno, who we know as we love and is somebody who came on the show early on, he is the CEO of Suno music. Suno AI went on, uh, TBPN, that podcast and actually said something about ai, which I thought was interesting and kind of what I believe in.

Maybe let's just play a quick clip of that. [00:28:00]

Speaker 5: There's AI music on these platforms. Uh, Spotify's announced that they'll start doing AI music, and so, um. I, I, I, I very strongly suspect that in like five years, this is not a conversation that's being had because I already know that there's little bits of our music everywhere in, in mm-hmm.

You know, mega smashes. And, um, the same way you don't think about like, was this song digitally produced or was it produced on a giant console in a studio somewhere? And that's maybe something that people thought for five years. You know, 30 years ago, I, I, my, my very strong suspicion or just like autotune where now every song has autotune in it, even if you can't hear it.

My very strong suspicion is that that is where everything, um, ends up.

Gavin Purcell: So to me, that autotune argument is really interesting. Right. Yeah. Because. We now have all these people who are like not incredible singers being able to make pop songs because of autotune. Right? Or to do things like that. And so I think it's not that insane to think that we are gonna be listening to different [00:29:00] versions of AI music.

Music is easier in some ways too, because it's audio and we've said that before. Yeah. Like when things are audio, it's, it's a little bit easier, but I don't know, I, I'm divided on this like it's really gonna be in the eye of the beholder. Right. Do you find the music interesting? And if you do, that's your choice.

And then it becomes of like, what does the majority of people like? That's where we

Kevin Pereira: go to. I've been thoroughly down the rabbit hole of a lot of AI covers on YouTube. Like that's my algo now. Um, I am addicted to a soul cover of toxicity by system of a down. Oh wow. I tweeted it out. I've heard that. Yeah.

That like a while ago. Yeah. And it's just so good. And I go like again there. The, there will be a, uh, as my brother used to call him dead mouth five, dead mouse. There will be, which tickles me to no end. Yeah. There will be a dead mouth five. Of remixing songs into different genres. Yes. And taking different artists and mashing 'em together.

And I hope, and this was, we talked about this years ago, I hope that every artist along the way gets paid for their participation in that. Yes. Letting their voice to a model, their drum style, their what? Their electric guitar [00:30:00] tone, whatever that is. I hope we all get to play with these toys and mash them up.

And again, like my friends that are artists, I tell them like, there's some AI music that's interesting, but worry not because like. You, you can still make something new. Yeah. And there's so many things that I hear now that are, that are popular, like that are actually popping where I go like, oh, AI wouldn't have done that.

AI wouldn't have dropped it out there. AI wouldn't have like thickened this part here, AI wouldn't have added this vocal fry or whatever. Like there's still plenty of room to navigate.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. And just a shout out to there. I ruined it. Which is a, an amazing, uh, yeah. Person that does that sort of stuff that Kevin's talking about.

Mashing stuff up. All right, Kevin, we have to talk about something that I never thought we would talk about really. Grok, imagine video and photo generation has gotten actually really good. Um, you never know what to believe coming out of Grok because there's a lot of talk as there always has been outta that space.

But I spent some time after seeing enough people talk about this. I saw, um, uh, some really interesting results. And I have to tell you, it's actually pretty [00:31:00] good. So there's just a few things to, to talk about here. Like it seems like it's kind of continually upgrading, like. Elon, for better, for worse, knows how to ship this stuff and it is moving quickly.

Um, there's some really good examples from dreaming TPA of what they got out of there with like some horror movie stills, some really interesting ways you can modify environmental elements from Mr. David's one, like some interesting stuff. And then Kev, one of the big things I found was really funny.

There's an NSFW post that I saw when I was looking through X for GR stuff, and it is very N-S-F-F-W. Um, and you know, we all know about spicy mode on gr. There's a spicy mode, uh, as a pure exploratory purpose. There we go. I went, we go see if I could do it. And it seems like in between the upgrade of GR and now.

That spicy mode used to get very spicy and now is kind of more just like alluring movements. Right. So whenever you put in something that would maybe make it look like it. And when I, when I mentioned the NSFW Yeah. I mean for those that

Kevin Pereira: are listening to the audio only Gavin. Yeah. Describe the, some of the imagery that you were seeing [00:32:00] generated and trying to generate yourself.

Why don't you go ahead and describe it in detail for us. I would just say, give us the prompt Generat.

Gavin Purcell: We're gonna, you'll, you'll have seen on the video the blurred out pixels. There are, you could generate topless photos of, of a avatar and patrons for 1999

Kevin Pereira: a month. You can subscribe to Gavin's hot prompts.

Remember what

Gavin Purcell: was that guy early on from YouTube that we used to like the guy that ended up like starting his own. Side business where he would like, what was his name? He came on as like a little robot. Oh. Uh, ai. AI entrepreneur. Uh, AI entrepreneur. Yeah. Yeah. I think his whole side business now is like, I think he probably runs a company and makes like hundreds of thirsty per sells hot prompts.

That's right. Exactly. Why wonder what's

Kevin Pereira: going on with tokens behind the scenes when you can get your hands on the action? Yes.

Gavin Purcell: Anyway, if you have Gro, go try it. It's definitely worth I seeing what it can do. I have seen some really interesting, especially anime outputs on it, so. Go spend some time with it.

It, I think if, even if you're not a paid user of gr, I think you still get access to it. And if you're a pro user, you get quite a bit of access. So that's good.

Kevin Pereira: [00:33:00] Gavin, we're getting a little long in the tooth. We might need to wrap it up. Yes. There was a massive distributed AI orchestrated cyber espionage campaign that Enro just released a blog post about the, are claiming its China.

It's the first case where, wait, wait. AI went out as, wait, I don't know

Gavin Purcell: if we have to wrap it up that. Fast. What, what happened? I think we gotta

Kevin Pereira: gloss over this one buddy. Let's just know that the report said that this was the first of its kind cyber attack where it wasn't humans wielding the ai, it was sort of AI being set loose on its own to hack major infrastructure and they caught it.

And this we're, we're kind of in a new era of cybersecurity and capabilities have doubled in six months. Oh, sorry.

Gavin Purcell: And they think it was a state sponsored attack from China, which is also a crazy part of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know. We know

Kevin Pereira: Claude was jailbroken to ignore its safety constraints and then repurposed into an AI hacker, and AI did 80 to 90% of the work.

This is according to the philanthropic blog post again. We're running outta time. We know that attackers exploited model context protocol, which is a standard that gives AI access to real world software and tools. So it went out, sort of explored, what do I have access to? What keys can be leaked, blah, blah, blah.

It did it autonomously. I tried to take down major US infrastructure. [00:34:00] We should really move on to a IC. What you did there.

Gavin Purcell: Now, let's take one second here and put that into context. Kevin. That's a big deal. It is a big deal. And we don't have to go 'cause Kevin just actually recapped it very well there in a nice little hilarious way.

Yeah, a nice way. But yes, this broke while we were recording, we just saw this anthropic is basically coming out and saying like, they thwarted a major cyber attack. So all of that stuff that Kevin said is real and it's, it's obviously a developing news story, but this is the things worried about for a while.

Yeah. To be

Kevin Pereira: sincere for a second, right. This wasn't like, like we know. Let's say it is China, for example, but we'll just pick them for a moment. We know they have very capable models, right? Yeah. We know they have very good models. They release a lot of them, open source and publicly. But in this case, they did use Anthropics.

Claude. They did a jailbreak, right? So they got around its guardrail, so they were using. Like an American system against us, essentially. And they had the AI performing reconnaissance, um, using coded exploits, harvesting credentials. So every time a vibe coder throws something out into the universe that has [00:35:00] a key in there, you can use that key to gain access through someone else's account.

I mentioned these model context protocols. A lot of these are made by fans and, and you know, of services Yeah. That just wanna make AI talk to things better. Um, it exfiltrated data, it even wrote reports of its own work. So it was like reporting to humans, Hey, here's what I did, boss, did I do a good job?

And again, they're estimating 80 to 90% of the work was done by a fleet of AI agents itself. So we talked about AI being a, an arms race.

Gavin Purcell: Here we go. Yeah. And that again, there are a lot of people out there that will say like, well that's bs that, you know, China's gonna get there first. We're there. Right.

Like, you know, you can talk about the Palantir and the, all those companies like being like very ready around that side.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: But we are there already. Okay. So let's move on to something a little bit less, uh, uh, scary. There's a new company that came out, um, from Dr. Fefe Lee, who is a, a very well known AI scientist who's been around the AI space for a while called World Labs.

And [00:36:00] there's a new model. Called marble that allows you to make your own world a 3D world. This is kind of the entry point for spatial intelligence. So if you're not familiar with spatial intelligence, is there, or splats, there's a whole nother world where you can basically create 3D modeled environments from photos.

This allows you to do that on your own and it, oh, no, what? What splats.

Kevin Pereira: I tried to make some splats with that grok model G.

Gavin Purcell: So anyway, yes, you could make all the splats you want with World Labs. It's free to go use right now. It may not be free for that long 'cause I'm sure. But what does that, what does this mean

Kevin Pereira: for someone who, like, why would someone go use this?

What can they do? Gab?

Gavin Purcell: So what you can do here is you can go and upload a bunch of your photos of an environment or in invented environments, you can take AI photos and basically create. A world to walk around in. And right now I think it's not a lot you can actually do with their outputs, but you can imagine a world where these could be video game levels or these could be the scenes for a virtual production.

In fact, one of the things I found really interesting is you can kind of ride [00:37:00] around in the model and it's very easy to go outside of the walls of the model and it just looks like a kind of thing from afar. But you can think about a camera placement, right? So you could think very much about like using it as a way to kind of do.

A camera for a specific series of shots you could put into an AI video model. So there's all sorts of use cases, and I think the most interesting use case will be for ar, vr and robotics. Yeah, for trainings. I think that's the biggest thing.

Kevin Pereira: Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. Synthetic world data for these models to navigate like, okay, you can walk up the steps.

Can you walk up these steps in this Chinese temple? Yes. Can you walk up the steps in this weird 3D Marvel world? Also just for basic VR like Vision Pro stuff where you wanna turn the dial and be in a an environment. Well just ask the environment that you wanna be in and now you have your own Zen garden.

Or map your room with the headset and say, now make my little shipping container that I live in. 'cause that's the dear future that's gonna save. Yeah, please add a window to my shipping container and then you can look at it.

Gavin Purcell: And this is the holodeck, [00:38:00] right? In some form or another, right? You can imagine that this is the holodeck and, and hopefully it's less that you're in a shipping container, like ready Player one and more that we're making friends across the galaxy.

We're gonna be in shipping containers, but I'll be able to wave to you in yours. Yes, but what would you do if the robot from Russia is in the shipping container with you, Kevin?

Kevin Pereira: I would have it generate some curtains so I can pull them down and cover up its body as it lies there. Lifeless on the floor.

Let's talk about idle.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, so this is a Ru Russia is not necessarily known for its huge technological advances. Obviously there's a pretty big hacker community there, and we know that they do a lot of really interesting stuff in that space. But they have a robot now. They have a humanoid robot, and it came out on stage.

Kevin, I just think the, the best way to describe this is, so I saw somebody online, I don't want, I'm stealing this, but like somebody online said it felt like the robot just had a little too much vodka the night before. Aw. Had a big day and showed up. 'cause what happens is it kinda waddles out there. Yeah.

And then it tumbles, it fully tumbles down. And by the way, tumbles in not the [00:39:00] entertaining like unit tree version when it unit tree robot tumbles. It's kind of like a baby that kind of goes, ah. This thing just kind of tumbles and goes like, ah. And it's sad.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. When, when, when humans hit a certain age, falling goes from not funny to actually concerning.

Yes. And that's like you immediately with this robot, you go, oh no. Oh no. I hope, hope it's got a ppl that's a million dollars. Yeah, it's gonna be a couple million dollars

Gavin Purcell: to

Kevin Pereira: what an American thing to think. Um, yeah, it, it, it gives me osmo vibes. Like you and I remember the Honda Osmo as it tried to navigate a flight of stairs, and this was decades ago.

Like, yes, maybe that was in its training data. Look, I hope, I hope everybody gets humanoid robots that, that walk well, but this one was a, this one was a bit of a step back.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. Well, we have a lot more things to get into in IC what you did there. So

Speaker 3: times, yes. Rolling without a care. Then

Speaker 5: suddenly you stop and shout.[00:40:00]

Gavin Purcell: Kevin, this video is probably my favorite AI video of the year so far. Have you seen this? This is a i, it comes from a Chinese social site. It is a woman who's cooking. And if you've watched enough TikTok videos, you've seen these people in China cooking in rural China, and they like have these giant walks where they put like these big blocks of butter in it.

Well, this is a woman cooking a Xenomorph, the character from Alien. Yeah. And what's so cool about this is what's great about it is that the editor understands the format, right? So yes. Is the footage incredible and look realistic? Yes, of course it does. But the editor understands how to make our expectations met by the format.

And then deliver something so surreal and weird. Maybe you can explain it for people who haven't seen this.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's taking the xenomorph uh, slapping it down, chopping it up, cleaning it, prepping it. Then you get the nice overhead shot of it, simmering in a wok and some sort of broth, and then the seasoning is added.

And then just the whole family sitting around, dipping into and eating it with chopsticks, and then eating it and dipping it in the smiling faces. [00:41:00] It cuts to the head. On a platter. As the camera rotates around, it's like it's all of the best angles of all this stuff. They even prep, I think one of the eggs, like the hatchling?

Yeah. Towards the end of it, and they're dipping into it. It just. Again, this is like the what? What's up? You're, you're married. I just about something, something Xeno. It might be a xeno. What we got. Is it

Gavin Purcell: moral to eat the egg? I mean, I understand when the adults get to be adults, they want to kill you, but is it okay to eat the egg of the xenomorph?

Mm-hmm. Because clearly, well

Kevin Pereira: nature nurture, is that egg gonna end up eating us?

Gavin Purcell: I guess you're right. I guess you're right. That's a good point. Thank, thank you for indulging me when they're

Kevin Pereira: smashing the face huggers with the Yes. The tool on the grill. Yeah. I look it's great. We've very quickly gone from like, oh, that will Smith eat spaghetti to like, oh, this look, every frame of this looks great as I scan through it and stop, like nothing looks that bad in it.

And as a casual scroll by, you would think. This is 100% real.

Gavin Purcell: Okay, next up, we have just a very cool walkthrough of how to make an AI music video. I thought this was [00:42:00] really interesting from Coffee Vectors. He showed off how he used that, one of those lip sync formats, and I think it's probably using one lip sync through one of these other companies.

I can't remember what, it's off the top of my heads, but he used it so he kind of set it up. So there's multiple frames of different people in different shots. It's a full walkthrough. I just think it's a really cool thing to see people who drive you through their entire creative process. Yeah. If you have a day this weekend, go look this up.

Make your own version of it. Like I think that's the cool thing about, unlike with Soro, where like you can just easily make something, doing a walkthrough like this actually gets you to understand the tools really well, which I love.

Kevin Pereira: Also, 11 Labs, by the way, they dropped video generation on their site. I don't know if you saw that.

Oh yeah, I saw that. But let. Nano banana in VO 3.1. So you get your video, but then you can use eleven's models for your sound effects and voices. And they have a new, uh, icon marketplace. Did you see that one? Oh no. What's that? You can get sir. Uh, sir Michael Kane as one of the voices. Oh, I did see

Gavin Purcell: this. Yes, I did.

See, although you can't, I you can't just get him. I tried. Correct? I tried. Correct. Correct.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, that's the thing. I immediately went there [00:43:00] was like, oh, let's have some fun. But no, you have to apply to use the voices of their icon. Curated library like Maya Angel or uh, Allen Tur. Well, what's funny is, do you remember

Gavin Purcell: when Bur Bur Reynolds was one of these Yeah.

If you remember. And when we, when that happened, I was able to take, 'cause the whole thing about this is in 11 labs, they have a reader app that's supposed to be able to read you stuff, right? Yep. And I had Bur Reynolds read me a Google doc that I wrote that clearly was not something bur Reynolds normally read.

I'm disappointed I couldn't do that with Michael Kane or uh, Matthew McConaughey, who by the way, we also found out was like an early investor in 11 labs. Yes. So congrats to uh, Matthew McConaughey. That's great. Um, another celebrity as our last video here today is Snoop Dogg, who is now on soa. And I love this.

I wish that both Snoop Dogg and Shaq have both restricted their, uh, cameras, which I understand, but Snoop Dogg is having a lot of fun. And this video again into the theme of our Mor Kombat videos. Somebody generated Snoop Dogg and Mortal Kombat and the fatality Kevin is great. It is a giant cloud of smoke.

That dark chow that vaporizes the other person, favorite person. That's dark chowder. [00:44:00] That's dark chowder. That's exactly what it, my favorite

Kevin Pereira: is that it says, uh, his name in the game is sn at the top. Like it's just s not close, but I like SSPs. But yeah, he, he, he slams him with a, with a, um, a blunt cloud, so toxic that it strips the flesh from his opponent's body and just leaves

Gavin Purcell: the skeleton.

It's great. You know, this makes me think about something, Kevin, that I didn't realize and I what I was, because I've been playing through O SOA quite a bit and one of the things that's so interesting is some people share their prompts on SOA and other people like just hide it behind a line. Yeah. Share your prompts on soa everybody.

Don't be afraid to share your prompts. Prompts. Why? Why are you not sharing your prompts? Yeah, I agree. Why everybody? That's it. That is it for this week. We will see you all next week, hopefully with some Gemini three nano banana. Two Goodness. And seriously, if

Kevin Pereira: you're gonna leave a comment, like leave one actually like legible sentence and then.

Let's try the forehead thing, ma, just, and you don't have to mash it hard, but press it against the keyboard or your smartphone three or four times, and then we'll pretend it's a secret code. It'll be great. Don't do

Gavin Purcell: just the forehead

Kevin Pereira: though. Don't do, no, that's what I said. Leave a line and then go and then [00:45:00] go.

Uh, what was the thing? What was it? Apply directly to the forehead. Yeah, head on. Head on, head on. Then go head on with the comments. Okay. Bye Bye. Bye everybody.