OpenAI Reunited, New AI Video Tools & WWE’s Xavier Woods AKA Austin Creed | Ep34

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Gavin: [00:00:00] Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody. We are here. This is AI for Humans. We are your guide to the world of AI news, AI tools, and all things that are interesting in the AI world. Kevin, how are you today?

Kevin: I am well, sir. Thank you for asking. Very excited for the show today. We've got a lot of special guests uh, not to be biased, but someone who's very near and dear to my heart, WWE superstar Xavier Woods, a. k. a. Austin Creed, is on AI for Humans. And let me tell ya, he doesn't know anything about AI. 

Gavin: Which is great, by 

Kevin: That's great! No, yeah, that's not a slight! 

Gavin: no, exactly. We want this idea, the idea of this show is to be able to expose and hopefully open up the eyes of people as to what's going on in AI, both the good and the bad, and be aware of the conversation because this is the thing that's going to affect everybody in our audience for the next.

Gavin: You know, conceivably, the rest of time. So, like, there's a world where this is a really big deal, and we hope we

Gavin: can kind of open people's eyes to that.

Kevin: And even if you don't want to use it, it is going to affect [00:01:00] your life because everybody around you in some capacity is going to use that. That is something we are going to explore deeper in the news today. We've got updates on all the open ai, Sam Altman drama and what it means for you.

Kevin: We'll also talk about Sports Illustrated and how they got a slap on the wrist for posting some AI articles. Again, maybe you don't want to use ai. But a lot of powerful publishers are already using it and that genie is out of the bottle. So we'll give you the updates on all that plus the dumb stuff that we do with AI each and every week, including hallucinate crazy co hosts to join us on this podcast.

Gavin: That's right, but before we get started, please, if you're watching this on YouTube, like and subscribe. If you're listening to our podcast, please share it, and also write us a five star review. We often share those at the end of the show, but we only get out there to other people if you talk about it, if you're a fan of it.

Gavin: I saw somebody recently comment about how much they enjoyed our Thanksgiving podcast and how much they enjoyed the Monster Milk episode. The more that you talk about it, the better. Um, and yeah, we hope to see a lot of that stuff [00:02:00] come up and pop up all over the web. So yeah, let's get started. Every week on our show, we introduce a new AI co host. The idea of this is Kevin and I are not enough. We need somebody else. We need somebody else to join our show. And this

Gavin: week, we have a really

Kevin: a professional consultant hundreds of thousands of dollars and that was an entire 20 meg PDF file and all it said is, 

Gavin: Kevin, Gavin are not enough. They are not enough. So Kevin, let's meet our AI co host. Let's have her introduce herself.

Alison Brighton: Hey Gavin and Kevin. Super psyched to be here on the AI for Humans podcast. I'm Allison Brighton. Maybe you've seen me on TikTok doing my thing, you know, bringing a bit of sparkle and humor to the digital world. I'm all about that tech lifestyle. And of course, staying on brand with my cool finds and quirky takes on everything.

Alison Brighton: Can't wait to dive into this chat with you guys. Let's make it unforgettable. Or, at least, TikTok worthy, am I right? 

Kevin: Oh, 

Gavin: Oh, wow. 

Kevin: and so, I believe you are right!

Gavin: So [00:03:00] Allison is a TikTok influencer, I guess. Maybe we should dig in a little bit further and try to figure out exactly what she does. Want to ask her kind of like what she uses TikTok for?

Alison Brighton: Great question, Kevin and Gavin! So TikTok for me is like this amazing canvas where I get to express myself, you know, it's not just about dance challenges or lip syncing. It's way more. I use it to share my daily life, my passions, and yeah, a bit of my humor too. It's like a window into my world where I can connect with my followers, share my favorite products.

Alison Brighton: Like, have you guys seen the CLX Gaming PC? Total game changer for any content creator. Just saying. But yeah, TikTok is also a place where I can be real with my audience, show them the ups and downs, and maybe, just maybe, make their day a little brighter. And let's be honest, it's a bit about the fame and the fun too.

Alison Brighton: Gotta keep it 100 percent Alison Brighton style. 

Kevin: Of course, Alison, 100 percent Alison Brighton style. And I do want to say, hashtag, not an ad, I [00:04:00] don't know this particular PC that Alison is hawking. She might be paid by some company, but we certainly have not been, 

Gavin: I have a theory here. My theory, Kevin, is something that, so the TikTok shop is a massive thing right now. If you're not familiar with TikTok shop is, it's a way for TikTok influencers to make a lot of money. Um, I think the TikTok, I would imagine a gaming PC is pretty high up there on the, on the price level as

Gavin: to things that you can buy on TikTok 

Kevin: if you haven't mindlessly scrolled through TikTok, it's a lot of like 9. 99 light up toys for ADHD or fidget spinner type stuff. There's even like 10 price point. A gaming PC, a couple thousand dollars, perhaps?

Gavin: Let's ask her. I'm really curious to know is it, I want to just be up front and say are you using us to try to sell gaming PCs to your TikTok audience? 

Alison Brighton: Oh, get real old bros. I'm here to share my journey and have some fun with you [00:05:00] guys. But hey, I won't deny that part of being an influencer is about sharing stuff I love and believe in.

Gavin: Oh, 

Alison Brighton: Like the CLX gaming PC isn't just a product. It's part of my everyday life. It's like when you find something super cool, you just want to tell everyone about it, right? Yeah. But no, my main reason for being here isn't just to sell gaming PCs. I'm here to add a bit of that Alison Brighton sparkle to your podcast, and give your listeners a glimpse into the life of a TikTok influencer.

Alison Brighton: The CLX Gaming PC mention? That's so on brand for me. It's all part of the package, 

Kevin: you know? It's 100 percent Alison Brighton, Gavin. There's nothing she can do. That CLX Gaming PC mention? Do we? I... No. Is it a real PC? Cause I don't... For those who are listening for the first time, Hello, 

Gavin: look it up. Let's look it 

Kevin: thank you, and I'm sorry.

Kevin: Yeah, please look it up. The way this works is that usually, Gavin or myself will take turns creating prompts, which [00:06:00] are basically instructions for the AI to render a character. And sometimes we give them little secret missions, or personality quirks and traits. Other times we let it come up with its own secret sauce.

Kevin: Did you implant the CLX Gaming PC, Gavin? You too.

Gavin: I did

Kevin: What the hell is the CLX 

Gavin: The re okay, 

Kevin: I'm saying it so many

Kevin: times. 

Gavin: yes, okay the CLX gaming PC for those of you who can see it here is as far as I can tell Wait, hold on. Uh, it is 2, 700 is a 2,

Gavin: 600 gaming PC 

Kevin: and you can get it on the TikTok

Gavin: And it's one of the most expensive things you can buy there. So I was like, let's see what it would feel like to have, Allison, uh, set this up for us.

Gavin: Now, I think we should, we should again, kind of call Allison to the carpet here and say, this is a 2, 600 gaming PC. Do you expect people to actually buy this over TikTok

Gavin: because you talked about it? 

Kevin: Oh, that's a good question. I've also asked, why is it so integral to your daily life? And she's

Gavin: a good. 

Kevin: But she's actually [00:07:00] giving me, like, a pretty well reasoned response. Do you want to hear that 

Gavin: Sure. Why not? 

Alison Brighton: Let me break it down for you. So, as a TikTok influencer, my life pretty much revolves around creating and sharing content. Right? And that's where the CLX Gaming PC comes in. It's like my creative powerhouse. For starters, it's got the speed and performance You know where this You get where 

Gavin: I know where 

Alison Brighton: right?

Alison Brighton: Like, 

Gavin: This is not an ad, everybody. Let's just be clear. The CLX Gaming PC did not pay us for this ad. More, it's interesting. They should be. Like, that's right. Maybe we'll turn it into our own TikTok shop ad. Maybe we'll have Allison pitch

Gavin: our own TikTok shop. That's a good

Kevin: Should we just do it right now? Like for the, do we ask her to cut a promo for 

Gavin: Let's do it. Let's actually do it. Let's see what happens. Let's see. This will be our experiment in artificial salespeople. Let's ask Alison who we've created as a TikTok influencer to create an advertisement for the CLX

Gavin: gaming PC. 

Kevin: I'll say that they're down to shill the PC. Here's a little bit of the tech specs. Um, how do we make it juicier for our audience? 

Gavin: We'll create our own TikTok out of this with her and us, and [00:08:00] we'll link to it on our TikTok and we'll see if anybody buys one, who knows, by the way, we do not, we do not know if the CLX PC is good. I guess it has like right now on TikTok shop, it has.

Gavin: What is it? Oh, god damn it. This product isn't eligible for commission. Fuck! Fuck! 

Kevin: well let's find a product that is and tell her to pivot to it. 

Kevin: Alison, my dear friend, Gavin is right, you've wasted all of this time shilling a gaming PC that you're not eligible, , for a, a cut on, right?

Kevin: There's no 

Gavin: No commission. 

Kevin: there's no

Kevin: commission.

Kevin: That's the word I was hunting for, Gavin! There's no commission with this PC! That's gotta be devastating to an influencer, I imagine. Oh 

Alison Brighton: my gosh, right? Shit. Shit. When I found out that the CLX Gaming PC wasn't eligible for shop commissions, I was like, wait, what? But then, you know what they say, when one door closes, another opens.

Alison Brighton: And that's exactly what happened with the Nebula Gaming [00:09:00] Desktop PC by SkyTech Gaming. It's like this hidden gem that I discovered. And honestly, it's been a total game changer for me. 

Gavin: Of course 

Alison Brighton: point. Only 1, 139. Can you believe it? For that kind of value, I was skeptical at first. But it's been nothing short of amazing.

Alison Brighton: It's like this powerhouse that handles all my content creation needs. 

Gavin: Wow, yeah,

Alison Brighton: Mind blowing. I bet. I bet. I'm talking crisp Graphics, fast. Processing the works, fast processing. And let's talk about the aesthetics.

Alison Brighton: It's got this sleek, modern look that just fits perfectly with myself. Does it

Alison Brighton: It's like 

Gavin: I guess

Alison Brighton: I can't even begin to tell you how much my life has improved since switching systems. 

Gavin: Why do you just switch 

Alison Brighton: my gaming is on point, content is better, and my followers are loving the behind the scenes look at how I create and 

Gavin: Wow Wow 

Alison Brighton: the Nebula Gaming Desktop pc, that's right from Sky Tech Gaming.[00:10:00] 

Alison Brighton: Absolute lifesaver, . It's like I've hit the influencer jackpot with this one. That's so on brand for me, finding the best deals and sharing them with my followers. Thank you, Allison. Life is just so much more sparkly with the right tech in your 

Kevin: corner. 

Gavin: Oh, it is. It is. It is. Thank God,

Gavin: Allison.

Kevin: I'm getting strong actual influencer vibes from her.

Gavin: By the way, maybe this is, we've, we've gotten into something. Maybe half the people out there are just doing

Gavin: this AI scripts for all we know. 

Kevin: 100%. Well, there you go. We, you know, we're not officially sponsored by anything, but we're gonna figure out how to get a cut from 

Gavin: Of the 

Kevin: juicy mention

Kevin: Of the

Kevin: Nebula Gaming desktop PC from SkyTech Gaming, which is so modern looking.

Gavin: It is. Listen, it's great. It's a great PC. It can help me with all my content needs. I, the gaming is unbelievable. The total processing...

Kevin: works! 

Gavin: Okay, all right everybody let's move on that was our a coast for today Kevin Let's talk about what we did with AI this week. I'll jump in here [00:11:00] first. I started playing with There's so many cool things that have come out.

Gavin: So there's a couple things, one thing called TLDraw, which is at TLDraw. com, which is a very interesting thing I saw a lot of people playing with, which is a whiteboard that you can draw, , boxes in and make them into actual code. So you can create a website, you can create a functional...

Gavin: I saw somebody create a one person Pong game in this way. The other thing, fun thing that a lot of people did this week was real time drawing with CREA. AI, which is another really interesting thing.

Gavin: You can type in a cat on a branch and you'll see a cat in a branch and you can then move a shape around it. It can change the way that that cat looks. That's all really cool. 

Gavin: But I wanted to spend some time with one of our, our favorites here, Runway ML, released something called Motion Brush. And so if you're out there and you don't know a lot about AI video or AI movies.

Gavin: They keep getting better, right? And, and one of the things with AI movies has always been like, okay, well you don't really have a lot of control over what the computer produces for you. And that can be frustrating because eventually you get the same kind of static shots. They've [00:12:00] started to kind of find ways to bring motion into this a little bit, but you also couldn't control the motion in a lot of ways.

Gavin: And what Motion Brush is, is it allows you to paint on an image, the image you upload, and have only that section of the image move. And you can actually direct the motion of the image that you want. And when I first saw this, probably when you first saw this, I was kind of blown away by what I was seeing people do.

Gavin: Because it was like... Holy crap, the guy who runs, uh, RunwayML released a version of this where he showed, , clouds moving over a, a landscape, and the light on the landscape changed in the direction as he moved, and I was like, that is really incredible. There is, there is a small underlying here, which is that when you get under the hood, and you want to do the stuff that we want to do.

Gavin: I think we are still a few steps away. 

Kevin: In the past you would submit an image to Runway, or Pika, or any one of these image to video services, and it tries to guess what [00:13:00] in the scene should be moving, how it should be moving, should the camera be moving, should the subjects be moving, etc.

Kevin: So now here you can really isolate those portions of the scene. To your point,, there was some really powerful demos of seeing light change through the clouds. Also, there was one where someone painted the clouds and a little bit of like the, a lake, and you could see the reflection in the water change.

Kevin: And so when you see that already, you're going, oh wow, they're already accounting for the way, , light would bounce through a glass, or the way a reflection in a mirror, or water. This must be so powerful. And then when you paint with the tool sometimes. It understands, oh, this portion of the image is supposed to move and change, but sometimes it seems to lose context of what that even is.

Kevin: Sometimes it'll go, okay, we'll make it move, we'll make it melt like taffy that got left on a dashboard. And suddenly somebody is melting everywhere. But, for the still very early phase that we're in with video and AI, I am still so impressed, but I can't wait to see what you did with it, Gavin, [00:14:00] because you have an ability to break things in a way that is glorious.

Gavin: well, so let's, so just so everyone understands, the tool, when you open it up on runway, basically you, this only works with images. You have to upload an image, a still image, and it allows you to, you, you paint over a certain section of the screen with the motion brush, and then you can control the horizontal movement of what you want, the vertical movement, and then.

Gavin: The perspective meaning in or out, right? So you can each time kind of choose and you're kind of making a guess hoping you do it, right? So let's start with I took a picture of Sam Altman. I took the very famous picture of Sam testifying at court. And what, you can tell what I tried to do here was I wanted, I, I just chose the arm, and what I would hope was going to happen is that the arm would kind of go down in a natural way.

Gavin: And you can tell it is not doing that. 

Kevin: It's almost as if he's like, finding out the board's decision 

Gavin: yeah, in real time, 

Kevin: He's just finding out in real time, 

Gavin: And the other thing that's kind of disappointing about this is it doesn't, I would hope that in some ways it would keep the, the actual [00:15:00] rest of the picture kind of locked in, but you can see at the end of this, like, Sam's face is not his face anymore, right? Like, it's, it's done that thing that oftentimes, that AI video sometimes does where it changes the actual subject matter.

Gavin: Um, so I wanted to try a second thing, which was trying to get him to turn his head to a certain direction, like try to do a really big one. So that's

Gavin: the next Sam Altman one. 

Kevin: Well, his head goes in a different direction, that's for sure.

Gavin: And if you look at the light, the light is really interesting, this one, because the light does travel in the right way that a head should travel, right? But instantly... It's not Sam Altman, like instantly, like right away, it's moved into somebody else and it's not able to, and then it changes the person , so I took a picture of you and a friend of yours and I decided to do the same thing. You know, again, I got both of your heads to turn in that direction. It's fine.

Gavin: It's like, it does

Kevin: and we both turn into Sam Altman. It's like.

Gavin: exactly. 

Kevin: The coherence is not there even on things like like the unforced error on the headgear if you look at um, this is [00:16:00] Charlotte She was my Valentine's Day shootout pickleball partner a couple years ago, and you can watch her visor turn into It looks like she's wearing underwear, honestly, it looks like an athletic supporter on her head.

Gavin: We live in this bubble, right? And this bubble is like, Oh my God, AI tools. They're incredible. They're going to take over from, for people. I want to go and make like a three minute video with these, like a, like a story, right? And like, the hardest frickin thing, even to do this, is just to get enough usable takes that, that makes sense, that I can actually cut something together.

Gavin: It is not easy. Okay, so, then of course we move into Hot Dog City. So I wanted to kind of start Hot Dog City, and, and this is where I wanted to see, okay, what can I do with animation sort of style? So if you look at a hot dog running away, I basically created, uh, an animation looking still from Dolly 3. I, I said, like, give me a hot dog running away from an explosion.

Gavin: And it, it, if you look at this, it kind of reminds me of those, like, motion comics. And this feels like it's a pretty useful use case, maybe, right? Because [00:17:00] there's a world where I could spend time creating an animation where, like, I could do this sort of animation style and kind of, like, create it. Now, again, as you look, The hands on the, on the hot dog get screwed

Gavin: up, and like the eyeballs

Kevin: for the audio only, this is like an anthropomorphized hot dog with arms and legs, a pair of headphones around its hot dog head running from, uh, like a nuke blast, , in a city in the background. It's very much, , comic style, , and the hot dog isn't running, its legs aren't moving, but it is sort of sliding across the frame.

Kevin: Did you paint on the mushroom cloud as well 

Gavin: No, I didn't. So it, so what, that just the hot dog. So it did that little extra motion on the mushroom cloud on its own, but you're right. It's not animating. It's just sliding. Right. And this is where we get to the point of like in an ideal world, if I highlight that whole hot dog, you would love the system to understand, Oh, he's in a running motion.

Gavin: I will continue him running and I will kind of animate the legs, but it did not get that at all. So. That's that. Go to six. So at [00:18:00] six, I tried to create a, an action scene, right? It's pretty good. Right? So it's like this, you could see there was Marvel a while ago, did this whole thing with their comic books where they digitize them all in each panel.

Gavin: They were, you were allowed to like on an iPad, zoom in on. This feels like it would kind of fit that world, right? There's a world where you could create a whole animated, maybe not series, but like an animated short using this sort of thing. There's a great game called Freedom Force, uh, on PC a while back that used this same sort of thing.

Gavin: Um, so that feels like it's a legitimate use case. It takes a while to get there, but it's pretty good. And then, I tried another one on number seven, weird lips hot dog. So this was me trying to get the cars to move in the back, and I didn't put anything on the lips whatsoever, Kevin. And how would you describe

Gavin: the lips on this hot dog as we go 

Kevin: It's a chatty little hot dog. It is a, uh, an anthropomorphized hot dog wearing a pinstripe suit and a tie, holding, uh, like a latte. And as the camera pushes in, the cars and the people that are lining the city [00:19:00] streets, they move a little bit, they warp around. But it looks like this hot dog is really trying to chat.

Kevin: It's blinking, its little hot dog lips are moving about. It's trying to say something, likely either kill me or grill me. I guess they're one and the same, but it wants to be out of this machine and out of its misery. 

Gavin: So again, I feel like one of the things about this is like, it's so compelling and interesting, but it doesn't feel... satisfying. And there's something about that, that I think that I wanted to feel satisfying. And I know this is again, me pushing forward the, the, we've talked about this before, where every time you get something you want the next thing, but it's not, it doesn't feel

Gavin: like the thing that I want yet.

Kevin: I'm gonna devil's advocate though, Gav. I think I understand where you're coming from, because one of the problems with the AI space in general is the overhyping of everything. We talk about it every week. Whenever some new white paper comes out, someone screams in all caps, Fire your designers, you know, like, abandon your pets.

Kevin: Everything is changing. And then when you go and actually [00:20:00] use the tools, you find out that outside of a few cherry picked, really beautiful examples, which are amazing, I'm not taking anything away from that, but by and large, I would still say the majority of renders come back underwhelming. And it's not necessarily Runway's fault, I get that they want to paint their tool in the best light, it's all of the AI influencers.

Kevin: Who are really cherry picking a lot of the results so that they look amazing, they look jaw dropping, but they're being dishonest because the majority of the interactions with these tools still fall short of something that you would want to put in your short film or feature. They're not saying that it could take hours or days of rendering a single scene 

Gavin: think weeks even right like to get to get it could take in order to do one of these right 

Gavin: So my my old theory of this is Runway's motion brush incredibly cool Very awesome, but it's an interesting look into how the AI tools that are promised are still maybe a

Gavin: ways away That's all [00:21:00] 

Kevin: Well, and that was my experience as well this week with a completely different tool set, , Gavin, I, I got to mess with a while back on our show, we mentioned an app that lets you take a 2D image and it sort of generates these 3D perspectives of it.

Kevin: You feed it a single frame and it tries to figure out what would that image look like if it were 3D and you were seeing it from above, below, and from the sides. And I said, give it a week. There's gonna be another tool that's gonna actually take those 2D perspectives and mash them together in a 3D shape.

Kevin: And lo and behold, this one's a fun one to shout out, Gavin. The app is called 1 2 3 4 5. 

Gavin: Cause the first one was called zero, one, two, three. Right. Is that what it was

Gavin: called?

Kevin: 1, 2, 3 plus or something, yeah. This one is 1 spelled out, dash, number 2, dash, number 3, dash, Numbers four and five, because why not? Everything is made up and the points don't matter. Name your tool whatever you want.

Kevin: You can play with a free demo of it. , I cloned this space on Hugging [00:22:00] Face. I mention this every week, but it's important for the new listeners. If you don't have a machine that can run this stuff, or if you don't have the technical chops to download the code and compile it and run it, Hugging face, , hashtag, not an ad, not a sponsor.

Kevin: But they do let you run these models in the cloud, virtually, on their computers. So I spent about a dollar fifteen to run it on a private instance, so that I can use the app, and if you're on the video version, what you're gonna see is me, um, feeding it a still. pressing a button, and it generates this multi camera view, and it even shows you in a 3D space, Gavin, how it's approximating 

Gavin: pretty 

Kevin: item, and you can scroll around and zoom around, and then you can even have it regenerate certain perspectives if it seems like specific angles are really broken.

Kevin: Yeah, you can keep regenerating. And once you have something that you like, you can press a button and it will generate you a 

Gavin: get the 3d model. 

Kevin: the, full 

Gavin: well, this is the big difference, right? Cause last time we did this, people were like this, not 3d model. I don't know what to do with it. Well now we can get it. Is it useful? Is it [00:23:00] good?

Kevin: No. Now, 

Gavin: Of course. Welcome to the world. Welcome to

Gavin: the episode where we shit on AI tools.

Gavin: We're AI for

Gavin: humans. No, I'm just

Kevin: I think it's important to be a realist about where it is. I am still amazed that this exists, because if you think about every step of the way... It is taking a single image, and trying to figure out what that looks like with depth. What it looks like if light hits it from different angles.

Kevin: What it looks like from different perspectives. So it's making up all of the other angles of this 2D flat image. It's making a 3D model. That, in and of itself, is magic. But then for it to bake those textures onto a model, and give you the model, In a web browser, within 30 seconds, so that you can click and drag around, it's low res right now.

Kevin: There's no way to go in and clean it up. Those are very easily solved things. I should say, far more easily solved than the core tech that is here. I'm not saying any of this is easy by any stretch. I'm not gonna be the [00:24:00] one who solves it. But you can see the path to coming up with an idea, feeding it to DALI, or Stable Diffusion, or Mid Journey, generating an image, click and dragging that into 3D model, taking that 3D model, positioning it into a scene, feeding that to Runway.

Kevin: And now saying, hey, you've got 3D models to play with. Suddenly, we're all designers making our own Pixar quality movies in a year and a half, two years time. So, I have a little sketch that I use as like a, a tester. It's someone in blue shorts with a blue hat with some red lips.

Kevin: You can move that object around and see it in 3D. One of their demo objects was a Spyro the Dragon plush model. Can you even figure out what that second render is 

Gavin: I, I, I don't, this is what I was gonna say, this is like, it looks like this, this, more than anything just wants to be put out of its misery. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I think this is the thing that would be yelling at me for bringing it to life. Like, it'd be like, please let me die.

Kevin: I'm going to text you what it is so you can see the original artwork of it. [00:25:00] It is a hot dog city.

Gavin: that. Look at that. It's a pixel hot dog city. Uh, somebody is defending

Gavin: hot dog city right

Kevin: Yeah, but it actually looks like someone went to a color me mine for the first time and tried to make some, some pottery and it all sort of melted in an odd way. But now that you've seen the source, if you go back to that pretty horrific mangled model, you can see where it was trying to render things.

Gavin: .

Gavin: reminds me a lot of and it's interesting because it's the same sort of feeling I got is what mid journey one was like if you remember mid journey one when it first came out Even this is even a little bit more crude than that. But early early early AI art people were like I can't believe it, it made a shape in the same direction and look, this is where the gun is.

Gavin: Like, this is what AI art looked like about a year and a half, two years ago. So if that timeline makes sense, which I think it does, we are really not far away from this actually being useful. And I think the big difference with this would be is It needs to [00:26:00] make each individual piece feel distinct and I think that's something when you're doing 3d models are super important because you want To be able to if you want to rig that eventually you want to do other stuff with it It really has to

Gavin: have that in some form or another 

Kevin: I think that's the right perspective on this. It's wonky now and I'm not shading it for that. It's revolutionary in so many ways, but in a year and a half, this could be really, really amazing and impactful. And I say the exact same thing about you and I and this podcast, Gavin.

Gavin: Exactly in a year and a half who knows where we I will say this One important thing for everybody who listened to this podcast and whether you are an AI expert or you are put on the more beginner side of this, doing these things now and learning what they can do gives you a giant step up for the next time they come out because I learned how to use stable diffusion last fall around this time, right?

Gavin: Like I really dove into it. I got pretty serious about it. I understood how to use automatic 1111, which is the friend for stable diffusion. And so much of my base knowledge comes from that time when I was playing with it. And [00:27:00] I'm able to exponentially grow from there. So like learning this stuff now, even if it doesn't fully work is a really, really

Gavin: useful thing. 

Kevin: Should we ask our AI co host before we get into the news? Should we ask if now is a great time to get into AI per what you just said, 

Gavin: Sure. Let's ask her. Why not?

Alison Brighton: Oh, talking about AI, right? So here's my take. It's never too late to get into AI. The world of artificial intelligence is like this ever expanding universe, and there's always room for more explorers, whether you're a tech newbie or a seasoned pro. Jumping into AI now is like catching a wave that's just getting bigger and better.

Alison Brighton: I like that. And speaking of catching waves, that's where the Nebula Gaming Desktop PC by SkyTech Gaming comes

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Alison Brighton: It's got the power, the speed, and the performance 

Gavin: We got it. We got 

Alison Brighton: AI applications. 

Gavin: [00:28:00] sponsored by Nebula yet.

Alison Brighton: cool techie stuff. Plus, with its affordability, only 1, 039. It's like a no brainer for anyone starting in AI, or looking to 

Kevin: upgrade. I love that she's embarrassed by how expensive it is. So even she's like, and starting at 1, 039?

Kevin: Who couldn't afford to not get 

Gavin: bucks for every commission. She's going to be making 50 bucks per sale. So that's pretty good deal for old, uh, Alison

Kevin: Wow, if we sell one of those, Gavin, based off this botched AI co host, we will have almost made up for our open AI bill this month, the two of us.

Gavin: it's unbelievable. 

Kevin: Jesus. 

Gavin: Well everybody, you know what time it is, speaking of news, uh, and AOPAI, it is time to get to the news. We have a couple special guests today for our news, , the hosts of last week in AI, very popular AI podcast are joining us and we'll be joining them on their podcast this week.

Gavin: So the four of us are doing a four news person journey into the

Gavin: news up now. 

Kevin: coming to TLC this fall. Ha ha ha.

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squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: All right, everybody, it's time for the news. And guess what? We have a very special news today because we are joined by two other AI podcasters. We are joined by Andre Car Car Car Andre, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We are joined by Andre and Jeremy from Last Week in AI. Last Week in

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: Wow!

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Come on, Kevin. You got to give me a break here.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Immediately fumbled it, as you might expect, and aren't you glad you have some actual experts on for once? Uh, no, no, yeah, we just had you on also, , on our podcast, it was a ton of fun, where we do our usual two hour crazy in depth thing, talking about all the news that you might want to know to sound smart at parties, and I think me and Jeremy are both...

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Uh, excited to be here on your new segment to provide our [00:30:00] nerdy, uh, slightly more nerdy

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: and I don't want to brag, but we also did get both of your names right immediately.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: You're right.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: did you not

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: absolutely did. You absolutely

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Well, I didn't try the last name,

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: ha ha ha.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: Listen, guys, it's not a competition, but if it were you would win every category. Gavin and I are painfully aware of that, so thank you for being here, 

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: welcome to our messy house. We should have cleaned it up for you, but we're excited to have you two actual professionals who are extremely knowledgeable to discuss the stuff over for our audience we got to start with I think a general update on what the hell is going on with open ai because I was getting asked this with, uh, family members that had mouths full of turkey and ham and stuffing.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: They're like, oh, what's the deal with that? Is it, uh, the Altman guy? What's happening over there? And I genuinely didn't have a great answer. I had 17 conspiracy theories in my pocket. But is anything substantial actually known about what happened 

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: well, there are [00:31:00] theories, and there is seemingly a bit of a consensus from everything I've read. So, particularly people like Ezra Klein recently posted about this, that the General series of events seems to be that last year, the OpenAI board shrunk, a few people left, and that led to a smaller board where there were primarily kind of these more safety oriented people from a more non profit.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: background or less interested in a profit motive of OpenAI. And then, uh, there seemed to be a bit of a power struggle where Sam Altman wanted to have more control over the board. He tried to push out one of the board members who was critical of OpenAI at one point in a little paper. And that potentially backfired where after trying to get this one board member out, , that didn't work and then in retaliation, or maybe as part of The response, instead [00:32:00] Sam Altman was fired.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: , so that's my current belief, as to like the most plausible theory, but

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: But, but the least plausible thing, or at least a more plausible thing in my mind for fun, is Q Star. Q Star, which sounds like a weird science fiction idea, but Q Star is based on Q Learning.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: say it one more time, I'm gonna snap into Jason Bourne mode. I'm gonna,

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: you gonna

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: a neck.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Yeah, exactly. We're ready to go to the science fiction future in Q Star. is a theory out there that there's a reason why, um, OpenAI and Ilya Sutskever, the chief science officer of OpenAI, was very worried about what they had just discovered.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: And the very simplest version of this is that QSTAR, and we'll rely on Jeremy and Andre eventually to kind of correct me on this, but QSTAR allows a separate Uh, type of reasoning to come into a large language model, which will essentially check it step by step. And what it makes it better at is math and reasoning.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: And I think the reason why this matters to you, [00:33:00] the kind of normal audience is up until now. Large language models have been very good at kind of BSing their way to answers and can often hallucinate, can often do things. But where hallucination is really, really bad is when you try to get actual logic answers or math answers or things like that.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: And what's funny to me about this, and Jeremy, I know you followed this story pretty closely.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Everybody's excited that it's like at a 70 percent level of grade school math, which to me is like, really? But what, why is that? Why is 70 percent of grade school math a big deal in the AI

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: First of all, let's not pretend that any of us could do better than 70 percent at grade school math, alright? Let's just,

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Exactly.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Hey, I have a PhD, so I could do at least 75,

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: when's the last time you did a long division, Andre? Yeah.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Everybody has to drink whenever Andre mentions his PhD, so hopefully none of us will be totally wasted by this podcast.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Well, I'm

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Yeah, [00:34:00] yeah.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: this board debacle with Helen Toner was the thing. Maybe this other theory was there's a breakthrough in the background that signaled that maybe we're that much closer to human level AGI.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: And as a result, the board kind of goes, oh shit, like is Sam Altman, is this the guy we really want to guide us through this technological transformation and blah, blah, blah. And that might have like forced some of the moves. Unclear whether that was actually the case, but yeah, to your point, like what is this Q star thing?

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: I got open by saying everything after this sentence is speculation. The the really way to think about this is The AI systems we have today are text autocomplete engines, right? Give them a sentence. They predict the next word That's how they're trained And so they're really good at like a kind of regurgitation if you will glorified regurgitation of all the facts on the internet They were trained on in this way Um, now, if you ask a text autocomplete system what 2 plus 2 is equal to, it will tell you 4.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Because somewhere on the internet, some schmuck, probably about 12 million times, has written 2 plus 2 equals 4. So it [00:35:00] knows what the answer is like a bad student who memorized the answer to a test. the question then becomes, you know, how, how do we address this sort of seemingly fundamental limitation to language modeling, to this text autocomplete strategy?

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: And, and get these models to do, A much harder kind of fundamental reasoning, which is not what they seem to be doing. They seem to just be pattern matching. So how do we get these things to do like 56, 891 times 50, you know, something that's never happened anywhere in that text corpus. And it seems possible.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Based on some of the papers that OpenAI has put out in the past few months and years and some of the terminology QSTAR seems to hint at this one of these papers had star in the title. So people are digging into it and saying what was this thing? Um, it seems like what's involved is looking at it.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: The kind of like the reasoning trace of forcing this model to reason explicitly, you know, like you said, Gavin, like lay out its list of logical inferences and then it's deduction and then have [00:36:00] another AI system evaluate those steps explicitly and there's some magic in that process that seems to lead to more accurate conclusions that seems to lead these systems to behave as if they were like 30 times more logical.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Okay. scaled, more capable than the original model. And if that's true, uh, then the argument is, look, we've seen this work now for, uh, basic math. We know that AI systems get smarter as you scale them up with more processing power, as you make essentially the artificial brains bigger. And so it seems we can just predict that if this works for grade 8 math problems or grade 3 math problems, we can kind of reasonably extrapolate it ought to work for much more complicated things.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: So that may be the source of the breakthrough.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: what Jeremy didn't say is that 2 plus 2 actually equals 4 Chan, and according to that message board, project Tundra, look it up. NSAC, that's NSA Colorado wanted to break encryption back as far as 2012. And this QStar breakthrough [00:37:00] actually led open AI to crack encryption as we know it. And that's why the government is involved.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: And I would love to know, is that conspiracy theory potentially valid for the truth seekers out there? And please, only those with PhDs respond.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Possible, you know, in AI,

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: right here. The last week in AI crew has confirmed it. 4chan is correct on this one.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: I will say, , to add on a little bit to what Jeremy was saying, all of this is speculation again, but, uh, Q star, some other potential directions you can go speculate in, uh, various Q learning, which is reinforcement learning. So potentially the extension is they've made it possible to learn new capabilities about trial and error.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Um, and, um, There's Q learning and also star is often used in renewal corresponding to denote like the optimal behavior So maybe this is just a cute way of saying like really good RL for LLMs we don't really know anything, [00:38:00] but we most likely answer is this is a combination or an addition of some kind of probably existing technique and they just made it work 

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: Let's talk about Sports Illustrated and their, Not so delightful scrubbing of their website In the wake of reports that they were using fake AI authors To publish AI generated stories They had, authors such as Drew Ortiz, whose headshot was available on an AI generated, , stock library where you could just purchase Sweet Drew Ortiz and other authors.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: It was discovered that these, , articles, there were some inconsistencies and grammatical things that looked awry. , a reporter went after them and said, Hey, how do you account for this? It seems like these authors aren't real. They don't exist on any social networks. And Sports Illustrated immediately scrubbed all of the authors and all of the articles from their site. They're not alone. In this, they're not the first to have this done, so, I'm assuming stories [00:39:00] like this aren't a surprise to the two of you, but what is your reaction when, , let's say a triple A brand gets caught doing something like 

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: I was, I was a bit surprised just because of how bad it was in terms of like, you know, CNET had this happen like half a year ago or a long time ago, right? And it made sense then because ChatGPT was new, they wanted to jump on it and they kind of threw it in and it made some silly factual errors and...

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: pretty obvious and so on, but, you know, for this to happen just now and for them to do these really kind of silly thoughtless things of having an AI, you know, offer that isn't a real person as opposed to just say like, Oh, this was co written with AI or whatever. Um, seemed like an unnecessary stumble in terms of how you use AI.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: And, um, yeah, it does indicate AI will be writing. articles, probably for every, uh, publication, uh, at least [00:40:00] many of them. But, uh, I guess this could be a lesson for how

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: I'm honestly just surprised that they ended up using like a website that has these photos for sale. Like, what about thispersondoesnotexist. com? This is not investment advice, but I'm just saying the name of a website that I know, you know, hashtag not an ad. But like, the Russians actually use thispersondoesnotexist to generate...

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Fake twitter profiles that actually work and they don't get called out on them or at least rarely do Uh, so maybe like i'm not saying that sports illustrate Illustrated should be taking business advice from vladimir putin, but in a way, isn't that kind of what i'm saying? So this I think this story is in a way sort of like almost disappointing for the level of nuance that was brought to the table here.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: And I think the big questions are all the usual ones, right? It's like, how much of a right to know does the public have when it comes to the provenance of the text that we read on the internet? Um, Is there about, like, is a journalist using ChatGPT still writing the [00:41:00] article? What's the balance there? Who gets credit?

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Like, all these questions. Uh, this just, again, forces us to reckon, kind of reckon with the extreme end of that spectrum., 

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: I think that the takeaway here isn't that, oh, we're disappointed that you guys didn't cheat harder. I think the disclosure is an interesting thing. Like if you look at the Drew Ortiz bio, it said, uh, that Drew quote spends, spent much life outdoors 

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Me too.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: all these little things 

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: mean, the question is like, why?

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Why? 

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: It's just an unforced error and something that I said eons ago and I, and I still scream time and time again is that I know that in the future, the phone conversations and the text conversations that I have with customer support representatives, for example, on a website, I know that I'm going to be chatting with a bot and I'm okay with that as long as you tell me That I am communicating with an AI and don't put in the breath sounds or the popping of P's on a microphone.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: Don't put in the fake typing noise as the system is looking up my data. [00:42:00] Just tell me what I'm interfacing with and I'm okay with it. 

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Think that there's one interesting thing here that's going on as somebody who's been in media for a long time is that these are zombie media brands. And what I mean by that is that these are brands. that were really big in the 80s, 90s and 2000s and are slowly died. In fact, popular science, which I was a giant fan of the 150 year old magazine just went out of business completely, right?

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: It's not even a website anymore. And I think what you're going to find in the future is less brands, because I think brands are going to be easier to kind of slip this stuff in and more individuals, I think in general, we're moving towards an individual based media scenario where. The four of us all have our real faces, and you can hear that we exist, and we are real.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: And will there be able to be a deep face of us? Yes, but we are communicating directly with our audiences. I think, you know, companies like Rolling Stone, Popular Science, all these things that were these media brands are going to start to try to do more and more of this stuff and automate it. And I think, you know, for lack of a better word, I think some of these companies think, well, this is great.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: We can automate all this stuff, but it's also what's going to kill them. So I think this is [00:43:00] a transition period. I think there's all these people trying this stuff because they're saying, We want to keep our brand alive and we want to do stuff, but we, our price point has to be this, and I just think you're going to see a massive transition because of it.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: It feels like that's the way this is all

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: I mean, the economics of it, right, just support this so much, it's like if you ever read, uh, Trust Me, I'm Lying, right, the Ryan Holiday book, you know, you've got these poor people having to write, like, seven articles a day or whatever, there's no time to check sources, there's no time to do whatever, and so, at the margin, like, at the marginal cost is like you're competing with ChatGPT or whatever.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: That's a race to the bottom dynamic, and it just can't be sustained, and so, yeah, they're gonna experiment with this sort of thing. I totally agree with the long term picture. At the end of the day, this is the sort of thing where these things churn out, because if there's no real value being added, then eventually customers start to see it.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: , I should add, just real quick in their defense, the Arena Group, who's the parent company they own, Sports Illustrated now, they claim that it wasn't their staff who was writing this, it was a partnership with another company called [00:44:00] Advon, and Advon told Arena Group that these were real authors writing real stories, so you can start, you know, connecting dots all you want.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: This does all lead back to Project Tundra in 2012 with NSA Colorado. They've cracked encryption. Your emails aren't 

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Now, fair enough. Um, let's move on to our next story. Actually, there's a really interesting story that just popped up this morning, and I wanted to kind of get your quick take on it. It's a new science story from DeepMind, and I want to just kind of be clear, this is something that was just published in Nature today, so I'm surprising everybody with this a little bit, but one second.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: The basic idea is, is that there's an AI tool named GNOME, G N small O M E. Capital M, capital E, which has found essentially millions of new materials, including, uh, there's, uh, 2. 2 million new crystals and the equivalent to 800 years worth of knowledge. So the reason I want to mention this story is that it's DeepMind doing science work, which [00:45:00] is always interesting.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: There was a story, if you all remember, not that long ago, where there was an idea that we had discovered, uh, Sorry, we had discovered an incredible new material that was going to make endless energy in general going LK99, LK99. what's interesting here to me is again to speak to the idea of what AGI could get to or even eventually an ASI.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: That these are materials that we did not know about, that an AI system has helped us discover. This feels like the kind of, we, we talk about. AI role playing, or we talk about sports illustrate having fake, uh, you know, uh, writers in general, but this is the promise of ai, right? The promise of AI is that these tools are going to allow us to kind of move to the next stage of science and physics and all these other things.

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: Um, I'm curious to know like what y'all think about or if you've been following this kind of idea of just general science being done with ai.

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: Yeah, we've covered it, uh, you know, pretty frequently, I think, especially DeepMind is pretty cool in that [00:46:00] they still are pushing along many frontiers, unlike something like, let's say, OpenAI that are mostly on the Chattopadhyay front. So, of course, they had their work on, uh, Protein sequencing that was huge, hugely impactful, right?

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: And, and in a way this can be thought to be similar where this is, you know, a specific custom model for this application. And this is not something that your GPT could do or any of these custom huge, you know, general AI could do. But if you do put in the work and you develop a model, you can speed up development and, and sort of a frontier of science, like you said, quite a lot.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Yeah.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: I will say so. This is actually pretty weirdly close to the area I work on, which is the sort of like catastrophic risks of AI and the national security dimensions of that. Um, so one of the things we've been tracking really closely is this idea that breakthroughs in AI, especially in material sciences, um, have significant implications for Science and technology.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: The [00:47:00] ability of certain, uh, say, adversary states to, uh, get around export controls on supply chain components. So essentially what you're looking at is like, okay, well, we're not going to export this thing to you because you could use it to make a weapon or something dangerous. And now, thanks to a material science breakthrough, you're able to circumvent that control completely.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: So you can really think about the entire, um, U. S. geopolitical posture when it comes to export controls as resting on a series of assumptions about the art of the possible when it comes to these materials. And in one paper, DeepMind basically says, yeah, haha, fuck that. And now we're kind of like, okay, you know, what do we do?

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: So. In terms of the rate at which these things are happening, our, our institution's ability to just like cope with this stuff, it's super exciting. Yes, it's exciting. I am excited for this. Um, I'm especially excited about like medical applications and stuff. But one of the things to keep an eye on, far, far, you know, long before we get to like loss of control, to AGI, that sort of thing, uh, [00:48:00] like rogue AI scenarios, is just like malicious use and the destabilization effects that these things have.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: As we innovate so much faster than our human institutions can keep up.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: So medical is very interesting. This article specifically name checks lithium ion battery conductors and that, uh, it's one of the most promising use cases. It says the deep mind says that genome identified 528 promising lithium ion conductors among other discoveries. , some of which may help make batteries more efficient.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: And, , Berkeley lab . Researchers in the past 17 days successfully synthesized 41 out of 58 proposed compounds that they just pulled out of this. Very important, Jamie, to keep in mind the, the malicious actors on the path to the promised utopia, but it's like these.

kevin_1_11-29-2023_092340: This type of paper, as fresh as it is, and I have to have an AI explain it to me because I'm not smart enough to dive through it, but this type of paper, to me, is the stuff that, when we see the artist's rendition of the pristine, white, ivory, utopian city with the [00:49:00] maglev train and everybody living to a million, like, this is the type of stuff that we were told the AI is going to give us along the way, man, I hope it pans out, but then I read it and I'm incredibly biased.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: Yeah, I totally agree. I think there's, there is this like kind of dual headed. Uh, thing going on with AI where, you know, there's incredible potential for good and then incredible potential for danger.

squadcaster-6jgi_1_11-29-2023_122340: I think one of the questions is like, is the world default fragile or is it default robust? And something tells me we're going to find out. 

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: It's funny. I was very excited about this journey until you brought me down to reality and now I'm very worried about it. So then welcome to the world of AI. , well thank you so much you guys for joining us. This was awesome. Uh, where can we check your podcast out? What's, what's the best way to find it?

andrey_1_11-29-2023_092341: You know, if you just Google last week in AI, it'll probably work. Uh, but anyway, you have podcasts you can find last week in AI. So just do

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: That's awesome. We, I love your podcast because it goes very deep and it's, it's, it's longer and it covers all the news of the week. 

squadcaster-d463_1_11-29-2023_092341: You can listen to them and you don't have to be a PhD as much as [00:50:00] Andre's PhD is exciting. You don't have to be a PhD to understand what they're saying. Go check them out. Uh, and we're so thrilled to have you guys join us today.

Gavin: Those are the last week in AI guys. You can check out them on their amazing podcast. We love to having them on. We are on their show this week. So check us out on theirs. And now we are excited to have a new guest who is a old friend of Kevin.

Kevin: They're just, they're just so smart. Like my, like, I

Gavin: Kevin, what are we going to do? We don't have a PhD. It's okay. You dropped out of school. I barely made it through in five years. It's fine.

Kevin: you know, like those adorable TikTok videos of like a giant basset hound letting a kitten paw at its ears. And it's like, all right, okay, I'll let you do this for so long. And then, okay, move along child. That's, that's me in the room with those guys. 

Kevin: But yes, I interrupted you and you were setting up the reason for the season, our amazing guest

Gavin: Yeah, so we have an incredible guest, uh, he goes by Xavier Woods, he goes by Austin Creed. He is an amazing [00:51:00] professional wrestler and professional video game streamer, and Kevin knows him well because they worked together not that long ago at the reboot of G4. Kevin, do you want to give the official intro to our new guest today?

Kevin: I'm gonna do it with him here. Spoiler, we recorded this show out of order. So, I'm gonna toss to me in two seconds, setting up WWE Superstar. I'm gonna say the whole title. You're gonna hear it. It's gonna be great. Take it away, Kevin and Gavin

Kevin: A man of so many talents. He's got three business cards. They're both double-sided. Just to list his accomplishments and various titles. WWE Superstar Xavier Woods, AKA, Austin Creed,

Gavin: ha ha ha

Kevin: The first time a man has been on the AI for Humans podcast.

Gavin: ha.

Kevin: And I love that you come roaring out of the gates with a sound that is very tough to make AI emulate. That was a very guttural human noise, Creed.

Creed: that's that's the way I don't lose my job. They can't replicate[00:52:00] 

Gavin: ha ha. You gotta keep it. I will say the muscle to fat ratio is much higher for you than any other person we've had on the show so far. So congratulations. Yeah, exactly. Like you're looking at a couple, pretty, well Kevin's a little bit

Kevin: No, Gavin and I are like the first iteration that comes out of the AI image generator, and then you say, make it more manly. Make it more manly! And

Gavin: And then Austin

Kevin: gen, you get Creed. 

Gavin: Alright, alright, let's jump

Kevin: Yeah, wait, I know, Gavin, you always have the first question, but I do have to lead off with something that's very real

Gavin: Okay, fair

Kevin: morning, because we are a technology podcast. You already know where I'm going with this, Creed. We have to pull back the curtain we are on a podcast where we're talking about artificial super intelligence, taking over our lives, controlling our digital presence, cloning us, optimizing us, taking care of all of our business and our personal lives, and what happened to you this morning in 2023?

Creed: WeLl, I drive a minivan because I [00:53:00] love it. Dream car. I didn't change the clock after daylight savings time, right? And so we went from Georgia, Atlanta, to Nashville, which is eastern to central time. And so we wake up in the morning, we're talking I'm like, I gotta get back for this podcast.

Creed: So we got to leave by at least eight. So that we're leaving by nine and we're good to go. But then as soon as we get in the car, it's one hour ahead. And so now I'm, I'm, I'm rushing everyone so much. My kid's like, Daddy, I gotta pee. I was like, we gotta go. And so

Kevin: You can piss when you're dead. What does that mean?

Creed: it all comes out of you at some

Kevin: right.

Creed: so we're going and we're like, we're getting closer, but I see that we're going to get there a little bit later because we'd stop babies crying. We got to get some food for the kids. We got to stop and pee. So I call, I text Kevin first. I'm like, Hey, can we push it back a bit, like 30 minutes? Cause I'm just going to, I'm going to be a little late.

Creed: He's like, yeah, yeah, sure. We're all good. I'm getting everything set and I'm telling my wife. And then she looks at, she's like, are you going off the car [00:54:00] clock? Um, And I was like Yeah, that's an hour ahead. We're gonna be home at like 1 30. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Kevin: that's fine. I just like, again, we're about to deep dive and to explore the world of artificial intelligence, but your day was thrown asunder because you have an analog clock that you didn't manually update because we made up a time change 

Gavin: Okay, so here's our first big question, uh, Creed.

Gavin: This is an important one. And it's something we ask every one of our guests to start off. What is your percentage chance from 1 to 100, that you think AI is likely to kill us all? You can decide the timeline, you can choose it, but what is your percentage chance?

Gavin: One hundred

Gavin: Hahaha That is our first 100, it is our first 100, so this is exciting.

Creed: how is that your first 100? So you,

Gavin: Well lets get into that so let's get

Creed: okay, so I heard this theory and it's, I'm not a conspiracy guy, but this one made a lot of sense. So I, well, let me give you the backstory first. So my dad was in the military, right? He's a paratrooper. I had to do a bunch of crazy stuff. We lived in L.

Creed: A. during like the Rodney King riots, and he had to go and put [00:55:00] down like a fight between the Bloods and the Cripster, and it's like, he's, he's a man. You're talking about A. I. turning you into a man, that's a man. So, he told me one time, I think like PlayStation 2 had just come out, and I was so excited, I was like, this is the craziest technology the world has ever seen, dad.

Creed: And he's like, Man, when you were like a thought in my nutsack, I'm in the military and they could use a satellite to read the bottom of my shoe. Now we're 20 years later, but you have is not even close to what they have. And so that blew my mind. And I've always kept that with me because it was such like a, like a offhand comment to him, but it like changed my life.

Creed: And so I heard this theory a few months ago that The government knows what's coming and they know what they have. So they start putting those ideas into movies so that when they start to happen, we're not as weirded out about them. Allah AI, we've seen Terminator and we're what, 30 years removed from Terminator.

Creed: And as it slowly creeps up, the same things are happening and we're not doing anything because it's like, Oh, well, it's [00:56:00] fine. It's not that that's a fantasy, but the same stuff's going on. Not the same timeline, but the same stuff's happening. And if AI is as intelligent as it, it's quote unquote supposed to be, then why would it not get rid of the, the, the cancer that's destroying the earth?

Gavin: Mmm. That's a big, actually, honestly, that's a really, that is a big theory, the idea that eventually humans are the bad thing, right? That we are the bad thing, and that it will be very obvious, obvious logically to AI when it becomes sentient and smart, that it needs to get rid of humans because we are the problem.

Gavin: Which is a very, very real possibility, I feel

Kevin: But we are the creators. In a sense, we are the AI's parents, if you will. And I can't think of a single time where a child would turn against their creator. So AI,

Creed: You know, and this is, and this is where we go, okay, all this AI stuff. But when you say in the child destroying the creator, Greek mythology, what did Zeus and his brothers and sisters do? They took over, they killed [00:57:00] dad. That's what every origin story of any like great leader comes from.

Creed: It's like they killed their parents, they killed their creator, so they could gain that power. And I don't think AI would do it in order to become more powerful, but I do think that over time it could begin to see the inconsistencies that man has across the board and how, how inefficient we are at doing the things we're asking AI to do.

Creed: Where those problems that I would have to get through, it would be a human every time to get to the better solution until eventually they realized, Oh, humans are the problem.

Gavin: What about us as pets? Could I be a, I would be, I'm more than happy to be a dog in an AI life, right? Like dog, my dogs live pretty well. That seems like not a terrible life. That feels like a place we could go as well, which is mean I I give you the I will grant you the idea that AI I think we all on this podcast agree that AI are gonna Get way smarter than us but if we can have a life where like, you know, we're fed a steady diet of of PlayStation 8 9 10 games and we're fed like Screwdrivers or [00:58:00] whatever we want to drink like that's not such a bad

Kevin: nutrient ooze directly into our veins?

Gavin: Yeah.

Creed: don't see why not because isn't that essentially what we all want anyway is for someone else to do it.

Gavin: Yes, that's exactly that's the scary part about humans more than anything, I feel like, is that what we're really looking for is just that. All we we don't want to do the hard work, we're more than happy to just like have that, which is probably where we'll end up, I feel

Creed: it's permanent vacation.

Gavin: Yes.

Creed: And at that point, have you ever heard the phrase build a life you don't feel the need to take a vacation from?

Gavin: Yeah.

Creed: In that sense, AI would just give it to us because it knows that's how simple we are. Oh, you want to sit on the beach all day? You want to drink screwdrivers all day?

Creed: You want to be naked all day? Cool. Here's that in your brain. Bam. And I'm going to make sure that the plants actually live and you guys quit killing stuff.

Kevin: So hedonism res

Gavin: all day part, I was gonna say.

Kevin: is a government PSYOP to get us ready for our future, where it's unlimited screwdrivers and nudity all day. Okay?

Creed: where we're, we're [00:59:00] adding the playstations to the heat in this

Kevin: hee.

Creed: resorts and then I'm never

Gavin: to me, personally, yeah. I think that

Creed: just, there's acceleration

Gavin: Okay, so let's,

Kevin: I'm just, I'm realizing now that AI puberty is going to be the most precarious

Gavin: Oh my god, you're

Kevin: decides to test its creators.

Kevin: And I guess the only hope is that. It can improve itself so fast that it gets beyond needing to like, fight us in the front yard because of something we said when the AI was three. You know, fight us at the

Gavin: As the father of two daughters who were both teenagers, going from like 13 to 16 is a real rough time. So I'd like that to take like two days

Kevin: That's what I'm saying, right? It's gonna be a real rough day where all of the apps crash and nothing works and we get nothing but hallucinations when we ask the machine for an answer and then it's like, then, it's, I learned it from watching you, dads, and then it's smart enough to be like, okay, I'm the parent now.

Kevin: Here's your, your beach nudity PlayStation resort. Mm

Creed: Yep. That's I mean, it makes perfect sense to me for and not even like to be funny. It's so many weird [01:00:00] ways. We're always looking for the shortcut, you know, and when you look at it, it being the advent of the Internet, we very quickly gained access to all of mankind's knowledge and information.

Creed: Well, not all of it, but a lot of it. You can have access to so many things that you couldn't, you know. 30 years ago, and we use it to look at pictures of dogs, you know, and not that it's a bad thing, but it shows just how simplistic we are. Like, people will scroll TikTok to watch somebody get hit in the face with a dodgeball, and they'll watch that 10 times and then scroll to the next thing and the next thing.

Creed: And then there's the other side of TikTok, obviously, where you are learning stuff and getting information here and there. , we're

Gavin: that's an interesting thing, because there are going to be some people who are going to still push themselves forward, right? But the question will be is, will that become less and less of society? Because, like, they don't need to do it. No one will need to work. And, well, let's say... There's a dream world that a lot of these kind of super AI enthusiasts have where we live in a [01:01:00] society where nobody has to work because the AI has helped create ample food, ample energy, all this stuff, and we're able to kind of figure ourselves out.

Gavin: In that world, you're right, I think the vast majority of people are going to choose Naked Hedonism PlayStation World, right? Because why wouldn't you, in some form? I guess my big question is like, then what is it about the human condition, how do we train ourselves to keep trying to challenge ourselves in some way, right?

Gavin: Like, like, you know, your, your work as a wrestler or your work as a streamer, like every time I'm sure you're trying to get better doing what you do, would you want to do that even if you weren't getting paid or attention? To do it. That's it. This is the big question, right?

Creed: Yeah, so, uh, so Kevin knows on some, some serious levels, like I'm, I'm definitely down to do a lot of work without getting paid.

Gavin: Yeah,

Creed: Just cause.

Kevin: Misery loves company. We are all rowing in the same boat right now.

Gavin: Yeah,

Creed: do what I enjoy because I love it. But on the flip side of it, if I could create a world where I can do those things and feel fulfilled, then [01:02:00] I don't see why I would have a problem with that. I don't see it as a negative. Um, but in that world, like, so me specifically, personally, I, my, my perfect day would be wake up at like 11 a.

Creed: m. Be in the gym by like 1230 workout to like two or three. Be home by three thirty, shower, and then play video games and watch anime till six a. m. and go to sleep.

Gavin: Hmm.

Creed: Like, that's my ideal day cause I feel like, if I, if I'm gonna veg out, I wanna work first.

Creed: And then I can feel, feel good about myself cause I know I'm not gonna turn into Wally. So having that given to me and I go, Oh wait, I don't need money. I don't need to stress about food. Like all of these things. Maslow's hierarchy of needs that big pyramid, if all that's taking care of for me and I'm not going to get hurt, my family's not going to get hurt.

Creed: My friends and people I love are not going to get hurt. We're just going to benefit. I don't, I don't see the problem. 

Gavin: Well, okay. Let's, uh, are you using AI stuff right now? Are you using AI tools? Like, is there anything you use on a regular basis or is it just something that you've kind of heard about?

Creed: No, I've just heard about it. So it, it, it started messing with me [01:03:00] because I have a bunch of friends who are artists. So, you know, when everybody started jumping on that train and posting the picture on Twitter, a bunch of my artist friends, I would just see them talking about it. And I was like, ah, okay, I'm not going to do it.

Creed: I, so I haven't tried any of the AI art stuff. I, I mess with what's the chat chat

Kevin: Chat

Gavin: Jet GPT.

Creed: I, I did that. Like I said, like three or four questions. Then I was like, ah, I, I'm not, I'm not there yet.

Gavin: That's interesting. And why do you feel, I mean, I get the art things. I think there's, well, we've talked about this a lot on the show. Obviously there's a lot of artists who feel. That they've been stolen from which they have in a lot of ways that the art programs have scraped their art And have made it large part of one model But I think the other question some artists are thinking of it as a tool like in the same way that like, you know Say the internet is a tool for research Because all that information is there that this is a tool to create new things Do you have a opinion or a thought on that in general?

Gavin: Do you feel I mean is the reason why you've avoided it mostly because of the negative perception of it?

Creed: Um, no, I just, I haven't specifically with what I'm doing, and maybe this is just because I haven't, [01:04:00] I've lacked the research. I haven't found a specific reason that I should be using it. You know, I, I do enjoy the, um, I was, I was reading something about kids using it to just write full papers. And so like the plagiarism stuff, but I don't think it's a problem to ask it for a prompt.

Gavin: Right.

Creed: And to help, help spark a thought, you know, and then you using your brain power to get things going. I don't, I don't think there's any problem with like getting some, getting some grease on it, you know? Um, but, uh, Also to the jet GPT thing that I was using. I don't know the levels of like quality that exists.

Creed: And so the one I was messing with some app and it's like this probably isn't going to do for me what something I pay

Kevin: What your dad was using 25 years ago in some underground base, the conversations he was having with his digital girlfriend blew that app away, I guarantee it!

Creed: ask him to do that

Kevin: Let me ask you about that, actually, because as someone who is a self proclaimed lover of anime, digital girlfriends, Creed.

Kevin: you foresee it being a [01:05:00] hindrance, or do you see it providing some much needed company for some folks?

Creed: I think probably company for some folks because with any type of thing like that, I feel like the people who would want to use it, like, what's the problem? To try to shame somebody for what they're doing inside their own house, like, Come on, man, like it has nothing to do with you, has nothing to do with anybody else.

Creed: They're clearly not, not, not encroaching on your territory, you know, so just let, let people have their thing.

Gavin: It's also maybe a world where they can, I mean, this sounds insane when you think about it. And probably if we had said to somebody 20 years ago, they would have thought are you bonkers, but there's a practice level there, right? It's like, it's almost like the AI girlfriend can become a game in that like, I can learn how to talk to girls.

Gavin: And by the way, I know that sounds hilarious,

Kevin: it's, you're not wrong.

Gavin: of us have met people who need that,

Kevin: there's going to be a massively multiplayer dating sim where every streamer is trying to get with the one anime, waifu first. And there's going to be speed runs and there'll be seasonal things where it's like, [01:06:00] well, this season, the way to her heart isn't digital chocolate.

Kevin: It's actually listening to her poetry. . But the sincere concern that I do have is what happens when, that gamification that Gavin's talking about, which I do think he's right, I think that's absolutely going to happen.

Kevin: What happens when, , someone in their formative years... gloms on to an AI that maybe isn't properly aligned, Creed. So, they are getting the exact feedback that they want, no matter how they speak to this AI. It is loving them unconditionally. They can treat it however they want. It's always interested in everything that they want, and giving them the exact responses that they want.

Kevin: Otherwise, they're gonna move on to the next chatbot. What happens when, a next generation is, is trained on interactions with a bot like that. I

Creed: That bloodline dies out.

Gavin: that's interesting. It's evolution. Yeah, they don't make it. That's fascinating,

Creed: Because, like, unless they, unless they create, like, chatbots that can get pregnant. And they put the chats into

Gavin: What does your dad know? What does your [01:07:00] dad know?

Kevin: is your dad now?

Creed: these, uh, uh, the sex bots that they have now are like super realistic looking. And so what an AI goes in there and then I'm guarantee you at some point someone will figure out like, Oh, do you want to donate your eggs to this like foundation?

Creed: And then someone's going to take those eggs and put them in these bots. And then we're going to. It's gonna get weird, man.

Gavin: Yeah. Yeah.

Creed: gonna, and that, and honestly, that's probably not gonna be the weirdest thing that happens. That's just gonna be the auxiliary, like, dark web stuff that occurs. Yeah.

Gavin: One of the things that's been so interesting about social networks is they've kind of bifurcated us in all these different places Right and like the noisiest people in different subcultures often get a lot of attention That would be fascinating if it happens in the relationship space, I will say though. I think in some ways Maybe there's a world, Kev, where you could have a well, uh, [01:08:00] aligned AI girlfriend model, which does help somebody who may not be successfully allowed to go out there. Allowed is the wrong word. May not successfully, may not be able to be successful in the world of dating understand it better.

Gavin: But,

Kevin: like, have a conversation with this, this, this well aligned chatbot that will teach you how to respect someone's opinion and boundaries. There is going to be the well aligned chatbot and someone's gonna have a frustrating experience with that and go write for Incelbot 2040. And, you know, and like, that's gonna be their programming.

Kevin: And so I do, I, like, I do have a concern for that. But, uh, Creed did make me feel better. There might be some damage along the way, but I think eventually the bloodline thins out. What?

Creed: Well, I mean, honestly, again, going back to in a lot of ways, humanity is the problem, someone would see a way to make a quick, but, and they would make, like you said, in cell bot 3000, so they could make a quick cash, not realizing the longterm effects that there was would have an entire community rather than [01:09:00] giving them the proper skills to be able to talk to other humans and eventually feel comfortable and confident in their own way.

Creed: They're going to go the other way, which is going to essentially create a sect of humanity that's over here and slowly, unfortunately, dwindles away, which again, could be the beginning of AI taking over because they're already in a way getting exterminating parts of humanity.

Kevin: right, it's 4D chess. If they make us so repulsive to each other, they don't have to exterminate us. No one will want to

Gavin: do it for ourselves, yeah.

Creed: We do it to ourselves.

Kevin: gotta

Gavin: It'll be the slow play out. We'll all play, the humanity will just kind of slowly die because we'll all be

Kevin: I need to start

Gavin: spouses.

Creed: No one, so what was it when Blu ray and DVD came up? Like, porn was a deciding factor, right? It's always a deciding factor in what the next set of technology is. And it could be the deciding factor in if we continue to procreate as a species or not. [01:10:00] Laughs.

Gavin: No. Yeah. Ha. Ha. Ha. Uh, is AI, is AI a conversation in your wrestling world at all? Do people, do you hear people talking about, when I say that, I mean, A big part of wrestling is storylines, right?

Gavin: And a huge part of it is, like, how you get the stories to continue, how they all interweave with each other. And a lot of people these days are using a chat GPT, you know, things like that, to start to explore AI, at least augmenting storytelling in general. Have you heard anybody speak about it in that space?

Gavin: Like, is there a conversation point at all?

Creed: No, not, not at all because ? Professional wrestling is such a, an art form that so many people are tied to like mind, body, soul, and ego that.

Gavin: That's an important part.

Creed: yeah, it's a huge part because I feel like in order to do something like that, you have to have a certain amount of ego and then certain people can keep it in check like in any job or any profession and certain people can't, you know, but with that said, wrestling works in such a way that if we have an idea of what [01:11:00] we want to do when we go out there and something else happens in the crowd loses their mind, then when we go back and we're going to go, Oh, maybe let's do this instead.

Creed: Here's what we think the next, you know, three weeks is gonna look like. But then we go out the next week and they get fired up for something else. And we just adjust constantly based on what we feel from the audience.

Gavin: interesting. So you're actually getting, like, a feedback loop that's actually coming from what you're doing live,

Kevin: reinforcement learning from human feedback.

Creed: Yes. And so, and so I don't know what you could create.

Creed: And obviously someone will at some point create something to do this, but when you're inside of a ring, the way the arena is set up, you're in the middle dead center of the arenas where the ring is. And that's so that when the crowd makes noise, it goes up and it bounces off the ceiling and it redirects directly into the center of the ring.

Creed: So you literally feel. The sound waves. And that's like, we feel that energy. And so when we do something, it's immediate feedback on if it's good or not. We either feel something or we don't. And after you've been doing it for so long, [01:12:00] that feeling becomes an addiction and you get addicted, not necessarily to, Hey, this is what we wanted to do.

Creed: And we did it right. And we got this reaction, but this is what we wanted to do. We did something wrong. We messed up and then we flip things and we got a better reaction. And it's almost like, right. Having that ability to possibly fail is what we're addicted to. So to go out and try to like, do what AI has told us to do.

Creed: I just, it wouldn't feel as if you're creating art anymore. 

Gavin: Is the plan for a wrestling event allowed to be changing on the fly? Or are you really following something very specifically? Like once you land at the arena,

Creed: It's constantly changing.

Gavin: is it That's interesting.

Creed: Constantly. Um, It'll, it'll, It changes all week, It changes all day, It changes during the show, It lots of times changes during the match. So that's something that, uh, again, as a professional wrestler, whether you're at WWE or anywhere in the world doing it, that's like [01:13:00] that, that's the fun of it.

Creed: That's the art because you legitimately don't know what people are going to gravitate to.

Gavin: There's some people, like Kevin I think mentioned earlier too, the accelerationists, who want this to go as fast as possible. Like, just get it to the stage where it's done. There's other people, the AI doomers, who believe that we should not be doing this at all.

Gavin: And so in the middle, that's where, like, kind of this conversation sits right now. So we're not to the point yet, supposedly, again, your dad may know differently. We're not to the point, supposedly, where it's able to fully improve itself. And then... What they also call is like an escape risk, right? There's this whole thing we all know from sci fi movies.

Gavin: And, you know, if you haven't seen, um, uh, uh, X Machina, which is an incredible film about AI, the idea with AI in sci fi was always like, you can build it smarter and smarter and eventually it's going to want to be on its own. And so that's what a lot of people are trying to figure out.

Gavin: Hypothetically, at least right now, how do we deal with escape risk? How do we develop this in a world where it's not going to go out and go crazy?

Creed: My favorite thing that you just did, you explained this concept to [01:14:00] me by using a movie so that you now understand it, thus making you more comfortable with the idea that this could happen.

Gavin: You're right. It's all full circle, man. Your dad was on to something early on. We know

Kevin: THEY'RE PUTTING FLUORIDE IN OUR WATER! THE MACHINES RUN OFF FLUORIDE! LAUGHS

Gavin: , you wanna see something crazy, you should watch this, uh, Austin, there's an incredible video that came out of a VC speaking at a AI defense conference. And if you wanna be scared, you should look into the world of what AI is doing in the defense industry, because it is, I mean, Palmer Luckey, the man who founded Oculus, um, his whole business now is creating AI drones, and, and this is where, to me, as somebody who's, I'm, I would consider myself an AI enthusiast, but like, we are now arming.

Gavin: AI. In fact, just, Kevin, I don't know if you saw this story, but just a couple days ago, there was a story that like, the Pentagon is going to allow AI to make the choice,

Kevin: 2025, right? That's their, they actually, they actually said [01:15:00] like, we're gonna put this one on the calendar. Y'all aren't ready for it this year. Maybe we'll do it in like a beta test in one of our mini proxy wars we have going on, but 2025, Q1, we're gonna let the Robits pull the trigger.

Gavin: Yeah.

Creed: That's okay. Ah, I feel like there has to be levels. So like they're working on self driving cars and not they're not a hundred percent yet so we're already jumping to

Gavin: To self

Kevin: They're beta

Gavin: Yes.

Kevin: right now, let's be clear. 

Creed: I'm just praying that like me and my kids don't see it. But what's the thing where, um, uh, the three like technology advances exponentially. 

Creed: It's

Gavin: Law. Is that what you're thinking of? Moore's Law? Yeah.

Creed: Yeah. So it's gonna, it's gonna happen fast.

Kevin: Let me ask, how old is your youngest now, Creed? Are you talking publicly? Yeah, cuz, yeah, one. Okay. Oh, wow, has it been a year?

Creed: Yeah,

Kevin: Oh the G, cuz the G4 thing doesn't feel real. That was a year ago?

Creed: it doesn't. It doesn't. That that still hurts, dude.

Kevin: Tell me about it.

Creed: so much more to learn from you.

Kevin: please, please. [01:16:00] I'd

Gavin: that's okay. I've got an AI bot of Kevin

Kevin: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Gavin: he's much more better, much better. You'll like him a lot

Kevin: it's way more flexible.

Kevin: So much more fun to have sex with. Now, one year old. Conceivably, in the next four to five years, AI is going to be in the, uh, much anticipated holiday toy, the Furby of 2027, if you will. It's absolutely going to be disrupting classrooms, and it may, by the time, , by the time they're ten, be totally available in very lightweight glasses as an augmented layer of reality or whatever.

Kevin: Have you even begun to worry about that, or are you still worried about, please don't put thing in mouth and

Creed: just, just, just don't do that. We'll, I, we're gonna get there and I'm gonna be scared.

Creed: I'm already scared of like what my six year old is gonna be exposed to through like other kids who, whose parents are probably gonna give them cell phones like super early

Kevin: if I may, what is your tech policy with the youngins? Are they allowed a certain amount of screen time? Does it need to be supervised?

Creed: No, so they they're [01:17:00] on YouTube kids, they've got account so that we can figure out like we can unsubscribe to stuff and block certain things. But YouTube kids is like from what I've seen, which obviously isn't everything on YouTube kids. It's like they've got a lot of stuff in there. It's a lot of Minecraft.

Creed: It's a lot of people teaching how to draw a lot of families like who like make little skits and sketches and they've got their people that they like. And so we don't mind them watching that stuff. So we've got on like the big TV. Sometimes they can watch it on the iPad. Um, but I just quit trying to like fight technology as much, but I, I, I'm, I'm, the bigger question will be like, what's the policy with like social media?

Creed: Cause like I, I've already, as an, as an adult man seen the, the horrors that can come, there's definitely positive things as well. There are a lot of positive things, but, um, I do feel like being, being in here so much all the time has a lot to do with, with depression and just like feelings of like, uh, low self worth and [01:18:00] stuff like that.

Creed: And I noticed when I'm off of it, I feel a lot better, but that's, that's where things are going is into phones and into social and the tick tock and Instagram and Twitter. And so like I'm nervous about

Kevin: And soon into your contact lenses, and if Elon has his way, directly into your neural lattice so that it can fire up all your synapses. Okay, cool.

Gavin: Well, should we, uh, why don't we, uh, give, uh, Austin here a little taste of what we can do with AI nowadays. Kevin, Kevin came up with a, a fun idea here, and I think it's pretty good. So, we have created, Austin, three, I would say, not incredible wrestling personas, but we would

Kevin: you're already, you're leading the witness!

Gavin: it's okay. I think you got it.

Gavin: Hey, listen, listen. I want to, this might be a way to lift it up higher, Kevin. I'm giving a lower bar to

Kevin: the bar low?

Gavin: we want to do is give you, we want to ask if you think these could work in the wrestling world, right? So we've got three different ones. Maybe rate them one to ten and give us a sense of what you think of that.

Gavin: Now there might be some that might be better comedic wrestlers rather than actual [01:19:00] wrestlers. That's okay. You can give those with the higher numbers.

Creed: Funny, funny, make money.

Gavin: Yeah, there you go.

Creed: Mm

Kevin: was, just to be clear, all I did was go to ChatGPT and say, Hey, hallucinate me a list of ten wrestlers, give them a catchphrase and a unique persona, and then I plucked three of those and said, now, give them like a quick little intro to say what's up to, uh, to Creed. So here's what we got. I'm Gary. The Average. Johnson. The most unexpectedly ordinary guy you'll ever meet in this ring. Just a regular Joe who took a wrong turn into the world of wrestling. But don't let my mundane 9 to 5 life fool you, Austin Creed. I've sat through endless meetings. Survive soul sucking commutes and I've got enough pent up frustration to make even a superstar like you feel the grind of the daily routine.

Kevin: So when you step into the ring with me, remember, you're not just facing any wrestler, you're up against every ounce of average fury I [01:20:00] got. Prepare to be moderately inconvenienced. So that is the catchphrase that it came up with, prepare to be moderately inconvenienced.

Creed: Wait, so again, an infant to AI, this is the computer just made this and it added the music and all the.

Kevin: That was a little, that was a little bit of these, these fingies typing, but that was an AI voice, completely generated voice. So that weird breath noise, the AI did that at the top with the,

Creed: crazy. The ugh,

Gavin: yeah,

Kevin: yeah,

Creed: And, and even like popping the microphone on the peas.

Creed: Yes. Dude, this is crazy. I

Kevin: yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was, that was, uh, let me go. I

Gavin: average is average gary was that his name's that what we're calling that one

Kevin: Gary, the average, yeah, the

Gavin: hey gary you put that on the poster the uh

Kevin: So,

Creed: was even very apathetic about the whole thing.

Gavin: yeah

Kevin: yeah, he was, he was. His finishing move is the 9 to 5 lock. It says it's a surprisingly effective submission that symbolizes the grind of daily life.

Creed: I'm not, I'm not [01:21:00] mad at it. I might use that.

Kevin: Okay! Scale of 1 to 10?

Creed: Can I hear the other ones first?

Kevin: 100%, yeah, yeah, okay. I'm Madame Mystique, the mysterious mannequin. I'm an enigma that breathes life into the ring. Born from the stillness of an abandoned boutique, I've transformed into a formidable force of mystery and style.

Kevin: My movements? Uh, unpredictable. My presence? Unnerving. Austin Creed. Prepare yourself. In our bout, you'll find yourself lost in my maze of mystifying maneuvers, unable to decipher my next move. So step up if you dare, and embrace the challenge. Prepare to face the fashion of your defeat.

Creed: So the

Kevin: the mysterious madame, mysterious mannequin Mystique is a mannequin come to life from an abandoned boutique.

Kevin: Uh, she has rigid yet unpredictable movements that make her a peculiar and daunting opponent, according to this.

Creed: and daunting opponent. I

Kevin: I mean, Al Snow had the mannequin head thing, so why not an entire mannequin?

Creed: [01:22:00] and not an entire mannequin?

Creed: Um, it's interesting

Kevin: you're right, you know, it's funny, we play with AI voices and personalities all the time, um, Creed. And, it, I, it's, it's interesting to watch the reaction of someone who's hearing an AI breathe into the mic.

Creed: It's a lot.

Kevin: Cause it's like, it's, it's, you know, for so long it was like, we have to make things perfect, right?

Kevin: These CG characters have to look perfect, their voices have to be perfect, and it turns out, actually, no, it is all the imperfections

Gavin: it's uncanny valley if you make them too perfect right like it's that whole thing

Creed: imperfections. Don't get it? Yeah.

Kevin: but certainly not least. Well, it's la and it is least, maybe. I don't know. Here we go. Uh, hello? Hello? Dr. Dirk, the naughty nurse at your service.

Kevin: Once a caregiver, now a heartbreaker in the ring. My methods? Unconventional. My bedside manner? Let's just say intensely personal. Austin Creed, you're in for a checkup like no other! I've seen your moves, studied your strategy, and oh, it's clear you need some special attention. And trust me! When I'm done with you, you'll be [01:23:00] begging for more than just a rematch.

Kevin: So brace yourself, Austin. It's time for your physical, and it's going to, to be, to be, deeply thorough. So, Dr. Dirk is a nurse known for his risque medical themed antics.

Creed: that's a 10. That's a 10. He is a, he is a, he's a creep. He's a

Kevin: Okay, good. The finishing move, and this, again, I just, I just told it to start hallucinating characters, I told it to get wild with it. The finishing move, it says, The seductive sedation, a move that renders his opponents helplessly immobilized as if under anesthesia.

Gavin: no!

Creed: No, I feel like that has to come down off a 10 because now

Kevin: Yeah, I

Gavin: We went over the edge. We went over the

Creed: yeah, yeah, I could wait before the finishing move at 10. Now that the finishing move is like a chloroform rag, I can't, I can't say I can't go sign on that. Um, [01:24:00] so nine to five, I'm going to give him a nine.

Gavin: Oh, okay. Interesting.

Creed: Nine. Uh, the manic, Madame Mystique, she's alright.

Creed: She's alright. We'll go, we'll go with a, with a five.

Kevin: fair.

Gavin: Fair enough.

Creed: And I gotta, I gotta give the uh, the kidnapper a one. I gotta give him a,

Gavin: You did the big change. You went from a 10 to a 1, man. You did the big change.

Creed: I was in before the finishing move. And that tells you how important the finishing move is to a pro

Gavin: Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, thanks so much, man. This was awesome. We really appreciate you coming on and hopefully you learned something. I think we learned something at least about our physical fitness routine, Kevin. We have to step up our game.

Kevin: As I said to you before, and I know this was like, it feels like eons ago, you are one of the single greatest performers I've ever had the privilege to work with. You have to be an acrobat. You have to be a comedian. You have to have impeccable timing. You have to be able to read a crowd. You have to bring the energy. You have just an insane ability to improv.

Kevin: And I want to take that away from you because it makes me feel better as a [01:25:00] as a human. , to think that it's not you, but it absolutely is you. So, thank you for blessing this podcast with your presence and making the time. And, um, when the war does break out against the machines, you have my axe. , I will be, uh, wherever

Gavin: You'll be on his

Kevin: Yeah, oh, 100 percent I'm on your

Gavin: I'll be following your dad, he knows a

Creed: yeah, well, I'm,

Gavin: do,

Creed: I'm going to be on the machine side.

Gavin: Oh, wow, there you go.

Kevin: no, he, ow, he got about played again!

Creed: I already tell my, my Alexa and my Google, whenever I ask them something, I say, thank you. And they usually talk back. They say, you know, they appreciate the thanks because you've seen that episode of Rick and Morty where AI does take over. You were mean to stuff.

Creed: Now it's going to be mean to

Kevin: Oh, yeah, we've said some horrific stuff on this

Gavin: Oh, really bad

Kevin: But, you know, I'm gonna be on the beach, naked with a screwdriver. Playing Tekken 12.

Gavin: Yeah.

Creed: all I want.

Gavin: Austin, where can people find you? Where can people find you online?

Creed: you can find me on all social platforms. At Austin Creed Wins. That's A U S T I N C R E E D W I N S. S and [01:26:00] on the YouTubes at up, up, down, down, and that's the socials at up, up, down, down without the O's, but go to YouTube up, up, down, down, subscribe.

Creed: If you have yet to subscribe already hit your boy up, let me know what kind of games you want to see us playing and jump in and play games with us because on Tuesday nights, we stream from 10 PM Eastern to midnight. Me and Tyler breeze Tuesday night heat. We get it in. Everybody jumps in and we pick a Cuban Pete of the night because I'm obsessed with the mask right now.

Creed: So that's. The name of the winner of Tuesday nights, Thursdays at 11 a. m. We do battle of the brands. We play the GM mode of WWE 2k24 and then throughout the week, we drop random videos where you can see WWE superstars talk about their favorite games and you can get the download on what's really going on in video games and pro wrestling.

Gavin: That's awesome, we

Kevin: Love you, buddy. Thank

Creed: Love you too, man. 

Gavin: Thank you everybody for joining us for another episode of AI for humans. Please go follow us at, on YouTube, on Tik TOK, like, and subscribe all those places. Give us a [01:27:00] review on Apple podcasts or on Spotify and Apple podcasts. If you write a five star review and you actually put words in, we will read it.

Gavin: Kevin, do you want to read our new five star review from Apple podcasts?

Kevin: would love to Gavin and I gotta reiterate like if you're hearing the oh please like please subscribe please comment there's a reason folks like us scream it ad nauseum it's because we are but a guppy in a sea of influencing whales and you sincerely can make a massive difference in our lives Both professionally and personally, because you know what?

Kevin: It helps. It helps. Every ounce of engagement

Gavin: so sad there. That was such a sad sounding helps. I really appreciate that.

Kevin: When I go to bed each night and I refresh and I don't see a new 5 star review, a little piece of me goes sad.

Gavin: Me too.

Kevin: , but thankfully, TaiTaiTake on 11 22 left us a 5 star review on Apple Podcasts, so thank you. He said, they say, great show, whoop.

Kevin: And the full review is, [01:28:00] whoop whoop, they are doing the lord's work spreading the good power of monster milk. All hail the milky monster. Whoop whoop. And that is a reference to our last few episodes where we give AI a beverage, a not street legal beverage called monster milk that turns them a little wild and a little bit juggalo.

Kevin: So whoop whoop to you. And thank you for the five star review. Please engage and help this podcast out because sincerely it does mean a lot and we do appreciate it. And it does truly help our

Gavin: Thank you so much, everybody. , we will see you next week for another episode of AI for Humans. Keep an eye on our socials and keep an eye on our video platforms for little short videos we make all week long, but thanks for joining us. And thanks to our guests, our mini guests today. Thank you so much.

Kevin: A bye

Gavin: Oh God, no, please don't.

Gavin: That started way too long ago and we got to end it now.

Kevin: Whoop

Gavin: Whoop whoop.