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Kevin Pereira: [00:00:00] Sora two has been ruined. The no fun nerrs have taken the joy from AI video generation yet again.

MLK Sora: I have a dream that Sora AI should stop being so strict.

Kevin Pereira: Okay. You could make the argument that that's pretty fun though. No, Kevin, Kevin, listen to Hank Green

Hank Green: also. I'm scrolling Martin Luther King Jr. Going six seven.

Like that's gotta be illegal somehow.

Kevin Pereira: Well, okay.

Gavin Purcell: I also agree with that person. It's confusing. We're here to help you wade through all the new SOA two news and be able to figure out what you can make and what you can.

Kevin Pereira: Plus we'll talk about what the future of AI video tools like SOA and others might be including.

Gavin Purcell: Ads Baby plus Brock to AI video model. Imagine gets an upgrade and is VO 3.1 around the corner. Well,

Kevin Pereira: can't we just have a moment where we can bask in the glory of our new robot overlords?

Gavin Purcell: That's right. Firo three is here and we will get into that and all the latest bot in Robot Watch.

Kevin Pereira: Also, we're in [00:01:00] person.

We're together in San Francisco.

Gavin Purcell: Or are we? Kevin

Robot Watch: AI for Humans.

Gavin Purcell: Welcome everybody. It's AI for humans. We are here in person in San Francisco, weirdly this week. Um, but we are gonna jump right into Sora two News cap. This is a big week because. Sora two has been nerfed. That is right. And we expected this, I want to say we are maybe the first to call this out loud when Sora two launched and everybody, Ooh, I almost knocked my hand off there.

Um, not Sora. That was real. That was a real thing. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: I'm counting your fingers to make sure. That's how I know I'm not lucid dreaming anymore when I hallucinate these podcasts with Gavin

Gavin Purcell: and Kevin has been sick, so me being this close to him is a pretty dangerous thing. But, okay, so let's go back.

So. When we first talked about, so R two last week, obviously it was kind of weapons free, right? It had just come [00:02:00] out. They were letting people do SpongeBob. They were letting people do carbon. I saw a, a like two minute full like, uh, south Park clip that was created this week. Sam Altman dropped a blog post, which we know is semi-serious when Sam does that.

And this blog post was very much, uh, it wasn't, I'm sorry. And in fact, the thing I think that's really interesting about this is that Sam is putting on a, a very happy face to this, that like, hey. All these people reached out to us and they said like, we love this. But

Kevin Pereira: yeah, the feedback was just so overwhelmingly positive that Sam had to pump the brakes, was the No, Sam said.

Some people had reached out to say, Hey, we don't want this. Yes. Right? Yes. And they had an opt out approach of using intellectual property or celebrity likenesses. They said, some people reached out and said, mm, we actually don't like this. I actually don't want to be on screen with Bruce Lee talking about TikTok numbers or Logan Paul boxing matches.

But he did say that some reached out and said, you're not using me

Gavin Purcell: enough. Yes. Yes. And, and what I think [00:03:00] is interesting is. They did have this thing that came out in the Wall Street Journal about a week ago, a week before SOAR two came out, where it said like people were given a week, only a week to opt out, but that was the policy was opt out.

You didn't have the chance to opt uh in.

Robot Watch: Right.

Gavin Purcell: And lots of people got very mad about that after the fact. In fact, the Motion Picture Association released a pretty scathing. Statement about this, where they basically said, yeah, they said, since soars, two's released videos that infringe on our members', films, shows, and characters have proliferated on OpenAI service and across social media.

While OpenAI clarified, it will soon offer right holder rights holders more control over character generation, they must acknowledge it remains their responsibility not right holders to prevent infringement. So Kev. Did OpenAI step in it here? What? What? What are we thinking? Is this, we should also make sure we hear from what Sam had something to say about this, but I'm curious to know your thought about it.

Kevin Pereira: I think this is going according to plan. I'm sure there is a whiteboard somewhere at OpenAI that they were like, well, how do we get millions of users overnight? How do we get to number one in the [00:04:00] app store? And it's not by restricting every generation, it's by flexing the insane power of your model because you just.

Blatantly swept in every pixel and everything that you could and let people generate it. And it, there you

Gavin Purcell: go. And it worked with four oh image Gen. We saw that right? Four oh image gen melted. The servers open AI and turned a crazy moment into something bigger. Now this time they were able to better manage the servers because they had an invite only sort of scenario.

And if you notice, I think the invites opened up a lot more once they put this restriction on a little bit. I do wanna talk about the reaction of SOA users to this, because it is a little bit of that red carpet pole that we've been talking about that they did last time, which is give everybody every option in this a magical world of like you can do anything with any sorts of ip, right?

And then they got very mad. In fact, I wanna play right here, a SOA video that was created. Uh, which is using Martin Luther King Jr. That many people have feelings about. But this was a video that has 23,000 likes on Sora, [00:05:00] which is a massive number for that platform right now, considering how big it is.

MLK Sora: I have a dream that Sora AI should stop being so strict.

Gavin Purcell: So you how another one of these remix tools with, with Mar Luther King. But this is a really interesting conversation right now because on one side. You've got these people that see this amazing new creative tool and part of it for them has been like, Hey, I can use carbon, or I can use SpongeBob and do all these funny things.

Of course there are people who are also doing things that like are not great for those brands, but on the other side, you've got these people that are saying, Hey, unless I give you my specific rights to do this, this is a pretty bad idea to kind of just go weapons free.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Again, I think it's according to somebody's plan there.

I don't think this is surprise to anybody. It's not like Sam Malman woke up and went oopsie. We should have seen that coming. Of course, they saw this coming. They, you know, raced it out. They wanted to get mass adoption. They got it. Do I shed a tear for anybody that overnight started a faceless YouTuber, TikTok [00:06:00] channel that was based off of Luther on MLK and SpongeBob, right?

And they're like, Hey, you gave me this tool. Now I'm leaving you a one star review in the app store because. People are brig. Yeah. It's at, it's at 2.3, uh, stars in the app store. Yeah. And not because it get got worse, like the performance got worse. It's just they started restricting what you can generate.

So do, do I cry for those that were going to infringe and build a new empire upon it? No, not really. But do I, do I understand the, the, the hate or the disdain? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, the app is. Actually less fun right now. Yes. Yes. And it got less fun to scroll.

Gavin Purcell: So we should talk a little bit about what Sam has gone.

Uh, there's a d there's developer day information that we're gonna talk about later. That was something. He was doing a public thing, but he also went on a bunch of podcasts, including a 16 Z's podcast. And disclaimer, we are, we do have an investment at a 16 Z, but I a

Kevin Pereira: weird disc display right now.

Gavin Purcell: I know, right?

We have a for and then we have an investment there, so we have to make sure we know that. But this clip, what, when they went on, I think is interesting to talk about like how Sam [00:07:00] is kind of like, I guess like kind of like. Circling around this conversation in,

Sam Altman: in the case of soa, we've heard from a lot of concerned rights holders and also a lot of

Kevin Pereira: name and likeness

Sam Altman: and a, and a lot of rights holders who are like, my concern is you character in enough.

Robot Watch: Yeah, yeah,

Sam Altman: yeah. I want restrictions for sure, but like if I'm, you know, whatever, and I have this character like. I don't want the character to say some crazy offensive thing, but like I want people to interact. Like that's how they develop the relationship and that's how like my franchise gets more valuable.

Gavin Purcell: Okay. So, so let's talk about two things here. You had pointed out there's a, there is a strange edit in this. I don't want to like shade the A 16 Z editing team, but I wonder what that was like. There was a moment there where he said, like, my character enough, which you could kind of dig into. I think he

Kevin Pereira: said

Gavin Purcell: that the president has.

Full power to do

Kevin Pereira: whatever.

Gavin Purcell: Like, no, he did not. No huy, he did not say that. He did not say that. But I do wanna talk about what this argument says and, and honestly, I think there's a kernel, the truth of this, which is, first of all, it's, it's a way to kind of say like [00:08:00] clearly what Sam is saying here. Just to reiterate, he's like some of the people we talked to.

Felt like that their character wasn't being used enough or wasn't being promoted enough and Sure. I mean, you can imagine, like, I'm trying to think of like, what is the most random IP that's out there, like Captain Planet, maybe the Captain Planet owners were like, why hasn't Captain Planet showed up everywhere?

Yeah. He's not, he's not showing up and he's not working with, uh, uh, the, the Kowski IP to do legs and sort of thing. I wanna

Kevin Pereira: see heart and earth in the ring against Stephen Hawking. Because that we, we talked a lot about WWE E and we wonder, did was WWE e one of the brands that reached out us? I bet they did.

Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: I bet. Wwe uh, I bet WWE has said, please use us because you can generate some really crazy stuff. Wwe. There's a lot of really good walkouts. In fact, there's a really good remix, which we'll talk about a little bit later, about like two people walking out and once I saw George Washington versus, uh, Abraham Lincoln.

And I then remixed it with Martha Washington and Mary Todd Lincoln, and it's just fun to do divas

Robot Watch: out there.

Gavin Purcell: Oh, so one thing I wanna say [00:09:00] here though is I have this really interesting idea behind this, and I think the SOA team is really onto something, which is, you can imagine a world where. As a business model.

I said this as a tweet, but like imagine the Mandalorian season, whatever, 22 is coming out, whatever it is on right now, and little Roku is your promotional tool. Right. And if you said for like two weeks, we're gonna allow Roku Generations Yes. In the app. And we're gonna control it by saying like, yo, no drug, Roku.

No. You know, Rastafari, Roku, no. Whatever you wanna put against Roku that you can't do. Yeah. But like you could see a moment where suddenly that that would pop in a really big way and people would be like, oh, maybe the mandalorian's coming out. And it is. So I think there is a pathway to this, but I think a little bit of this is damage control.

And to your point, like. Yes. The obvious answer to this is like they have the ability to go weapons free and you see it for the first couple days. It's a flex. Yeah, it's a flex. It's a

Kevin Pereira: flex for users. It's a flex for their video model. Yeah, it's a flex to Hollywood and those traditional [00:10:00] IP holders, right?

Yes. And we're gonna see you. We were talking about it this morning, the great bifurcation, not only of individuals who say. You know what? Screw, this is the new normal. Yeah. Take my avatar, use my cameo. Do whatever you want. We've sort of early aired on that side. Yeah, for sure. There'll be others that try to lock it down and clamp it, but the observation that you made is, is very astute.

We would've just even two years ago, laughed at the notion of Beavis and Butt head appearing in Call of Duty or famous hip hop stars. Yes. Popping up as Fortnite bosses. Yes. Right. Yes. It'd be, oh my God. Now it's sort of like a rite of passage. Yeah. That your brand has made it. This will happen with the cameo ification.

Yeah. I think of individuals in in brain.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. And before we move on, 'cause I do have more to talk about there, I wanna show a couple more kind of anger, uh, sos that were very funny. First of all, you may have seen, I just, I just as you,

Kevin Pereira: you got me thinking about Captain Planet. I was like, I haven't seen if anybody's even tried.

Captain Planet. Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: Hamburger helper. Is he in there? No, that's a good question. You gotta find out if the helper's in there. Should we try? Should we try one fully watch? Hold on, I'll [00:11:00] tell you what. Let me, let me use my phone. You type, you type it in and I'll say what I was gonna do. Hold on.

Kevin Pereira: Oh Jesus.

Michael Jackson's singing about something right now. Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: he is. Just showed up. Michael Jackson there. It's,

Kevin Pereira: look, I people get mad when we get delighted by things. Yeah. Like Michael Jackson, MLK. Yeah. Uh, Mr. Rogers, which I think we'll get to. Yeah. Like I understand that. But there's something instinctually like fun.

Gavin Purcell: It's collective, it's a collective unconscious, right? It's this idea, it's all these pieces of our, of our culture that are kind of buried in us. And playing with those things is fun. So I do wanna shout out to other, some videos that pop about this anger thing that we're really interesting. One is, there's an amazing remix going on right now of kids talking about a costume that they see, and one of them was specifically like.

Content blocking costume. So play that one here real quick.

Hank Green: Well look at this. Content. Violation error. I wanna be Content Violation. Error. Same. That shirt is awesome. We could all be it. Let's do it. I'm gonna be watching Violation.

Gavin Purcell: And then there's another one, which is great. Bob Ross has become a big person like Mr.

Rogers or like MLK, because it seems [00:12:00] like historical figures and maybe PBS footage specifically because it's owned maybe by the government and maybe there's different copyright restrictions that they show up. But Bob Ross is one here where he's trying to paint something and then he sees the restriction on his paint.

Bob gets very mad. Take a look at this.

Bob Ross: Just put a nice little tree right over. Huh? What is this? I can't, it won't Let me, let me paint. That's it. Ah, I'm coming for you. Sam Altman.

Gavin Purcell: That is not a happy Bob Ross, Kevin. So you're putting it in there. We'll see if we can make it. Oh, by the way, while we're talking about this, a person that just added themselves to cameo is Mark Cuban.

You

Kevin Pereira: know, so I meant to tag. You and me and this Hamburger helper, but I guess I Fat thumbed. And we got, uh, mark Cuban as well. Oh, good. Perfect. So we're gonna see a, you and Mark Cuban are hanging out with Hamburger Helper.

Gavin Purcell: We'll show this while we're watching it, but Kevin hasn't seen this yet. So we're at, we're recording our podcast and Mark Cuban pops out of the wall in the same way that, um, Sam Altman did last week.

So it added, brought to you, it added that on its own. It added brought to you guy cost plus [00:13:00] drugs entirely. He is added all of

Kevin Pereira: his generations. Because that would be smart if, 'cause you can add custom instructions to your avatar. Avatar. That's really interesting. And you can say, always wears a red cap or always says blah, blah, blah.

I wonder if he says, let's look at one

Gavin Purcell: of his other ones. Let's see. So cameos, let, we're doing this in real time, y'all. Let's see. Okay, so let's just pick one. It does talk to you by, that is brilliant. So, so we already have a person out there. Shout out Mark Cuban, who's understanding the how to play with the form.

Every time he does a video or his cameo and video, it shows up with an ad. So that's a pretty interesting idea. So

Kevin Pereira: I put in my custom instructions Yeah. For like a night. Always talks about NFTs and I saw a few generations come out where I'm like, I don't know if the end user was like, why is he talking about NFTs?

I, I

Gavin Purcell: saw one of those and I was wondering what it was. That is really interesting. I wanna move on, Kev, to talk a little bit about. The reaction of people to this content because one of the biggest YouTubers out there, uh, Hank Green, yeah. Actually went out of his way to record about a four minute, I would call like a real [00:14:00] rant, like this is Hank being really mad play.

Let's play a little clip of this where he gets really upset and, and we'll talk about his reaction to this, about the MLK thing.

Hank Green: Also, I'm scrolling Martin Luther King Jr. Going. Six seven, like that's gotta be illegal somehow. Like I'm pretty sure that you can't just do that. And if you trot out section two 30 of the Communications Decency Act to say, we didn't do that, the person put in the prompt.

It's not open AI's fault. We can't be held responsible for the content of our platform, even though our computers enabled its creation and also did the actual creation of turning a single sentence. Into that monstrosity open ai.

Gavin Purcell: So Hank Green is mad and I understand why. And, and what's really interesting about this is my thought process has changed slightly on.

So two, over the course of this week, I found myself scrolling it and it's super delightful and entertaining still. But there is something going on in my brain and it wasn't Mr. Rogers clip that made me kind of feel differently about this. [00:15:00] Because like when I saw Mr. Rogers, who by the way is like a person that I as like childhood hero of mine, like I really believe was a person that only brought like good into the world in the same way of Martin Luther King, I believe as a hero for me and other people as well too.

It does feel slightly off to see things like that. To, especially when people are leveraging it for promotion or for some other thing like that. And I understand that that's, you know, it's part of the open kind of world of what we wanna do with content and all that stuff. That stuff does happen, but when it's in your feed and it kind of gets delivered to you, it feels different.

And I don't know what to think about that.

Kevin Pereira: I mean, have you been used to sell Chinese sneakers yet? No, I haven't yet. So it adds another layer to it. I can imagine. Yeah, it's, it's this, but this is, okay, so this is the new normal. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Or it's going to be, 'cause it's not just OpenAI that's going to do this.

Google's going to have their answer. We know Papa Elon is brewing something, which we'll get to. They actually just availed a new video model as well. So, uh. I'm all for [00:16:00] punching at tidal waves at times, and I, I, you know, good on everybody that, that does and records a new rant. But everybody that's listening to this or watching this is going to have to make the decision.

Are they going to actively police their likeness? Yes, yes. Or are they going to let this ride, will they give into this being a new promotional method for whatever endeavors they're going to have on the other side of mass displacement? Yeah. I mean, this is like, we're just sort of in it. I still don't know.

I still don't know how I feel about it. Oh. Oh

Gavin Purcell: no. Oh, see, they wouldn't let us put in the, we wouldn't, we couldn't get Mark Cuban's prompt coming in.

Kevin Pereira: Oh no. Oh, sorry. The Quaker Oats guy is that, why do we think, do we think Hamburger Helper has more protection than the Quaker Oats guy and. Mark Cuban. Okay.

Let's see

Gavin Purcell: what happens. Okay. Okay. So while, do you have a verified thing, by the way, did you notice that? Well, that makes sense, I guess, right? It proves that they're, this, they're a celebrity, I guess. But I mean, I guess I had a thought. Do you think you could put on one of those super hyper realistic masks and do a cameo?

Like have you seen those? Those ones that you see the

Kevin Pereira: video of those? Uh, I bet you could.

Gavin Purcell: [00:17:00] Yeah. The

Kevin Pereira: other thing that was very, very scary, and this is I saw in someone's drafts that they were using me and generating me. Okay. Turning my head. From center to left. Whoa. Or center to right. Or up and down.

Interesting. Yeah. They were trying to generate the, the, basically the, the security looks interesting. And so I'm like, could they do that and say the numbers? Yeah. I don't know. Question the voice or change the voice? No, because it

Gavin Purcell: would have to come through live through the phone. Right. But if you,

Kevin Pereira: if, if, I don't want to explain how to do it necessarily, but you could easily use like a Stream Labs or an OBS Sure.

And trigger. Down left, right? Yeah, no. I guess if you really went into Yes. That's interesting. Yeah, you're right. So I look, I understand how I sound when I go like, well this is it. What are you gonna do? And people would yell at their screens being like, fight back. You idiot. You're the one with the mic.

You're the one tell, like, go fight back. I still don't know if it's not like just what it's going to be. Yeah. And go with it. 'cause it could be fun and amazing. We do have to hold companies accountable. [00:18:00] Sure. We do have to make sure that protections and guardrails are in place, but like. I was deep faking.

Do you remember like almost three years ago? I was in real time. Yeah. The Ryan Ren, Ryan face to be Ryan Reynolds or Keanu, and changing my voice. This was open source software? Yeah. That was freely available years ago. Yeah. And arguably better than stuff that people are still putting out. Paid today. Yeah.

Yeah. So like again. Is it better for a handful of people to have it and be able to sow the seed of doubt or puppet you? Yeah. In ways you don't want? Or is it better that everybody has access to it with some garbage?

Gavin Purcell: Everybody has. I I, it's better that way. I will also say like, my thing is less about I've, you and I have both given our permission.

Yes. Mark Cuban has given his permission. What feels, starts to feel weird is, uh, Mr. Rogers or MLK, these people who are historical figures that clearly have estate, that have control over what they're doing, or Bob Ross. They may not have given permission. Right. And maybe there is some sort of weird rule of somebody who's passed away.

'cause I also generated a video of. Elvis eating a, a Turkey on, on stage. See that? So maybe there's some sort of legal thing there, [00:19:00] or maybe that's like a, a different sort of thing if there's somebody living. But the other thing I wanna talk about is two other big YouTubers. So Mr. Bees came out and said, when AI videos are just as good as normal videos, I wonder what it will do to YouTube and how it will impact the lives of millions of creators currently making content for a living.

Scary times. Yeah. Which of course, like that is a question. And I guess the question becomes like, it's not just for. True. You know, like Hollywood content people, but also for YouTubers. But then I do wanna shout out Jake Paul because there was a big article that came out in the Hollywood Reporter, and if you remember, Jake Paul was one of the first celebrities to put his image on on Sora.

There are a bajillion Jake Paul videos because he's a well-known figure in the world and, and I actually weirdly worked with Jake Paul like five years ago on a TV pilot. And whatever you think about Jake Paul in public, I'll tell you like Jake Paul is like one of the most. Savvy people around marketing and understands all that stuff and, and very well.

So we talked Yes. Last week about how, what would it feel like if a famous person mm-hmm. Could of added themself to this thing? And we were talking about an actor, but like, uh. You know, Jake is as famous as, [00:20:00] probably

Kevin Pereira: famous than more, yeah. Than most actors. Probably more famous than, than most actors

Gavin Purcell: now.

And what's been amazing about this is like he's kind of embracing that thing we just talked about. And he is embracing it so much that we should play this video. We'll play this here for you.

Jake Paul: I've had it with the AI stuff. It's affecting my relationships, businesses, uh, people are hitting me up saying, yo, did you say this?

What did you do this for? Uh, this was you. I can't believe you did this. Uh, it's really affecting things and honestly, it's like people need to get a life. So it's. Kind of pissing me off. I'm gonna be suing everybody that is continuing to spread these false narratives of me doing shit that I would literally,

Kevin Pereira: so you get a sense there.

Audio only. He's doing like a Get Ready with me TikTok makeup tutorial thing where he's, which is something that people have used so to generate, obviously.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. So basically he's kinda leaning into this idea that like he's clearly given his permission, he knows that people are doing that sort of stuff.

Oh, did we get a result?

Kevin Pereira: We did.

Gavin Purcell: Okay. By the way, I wanna shout out, there's already several

Kevin Pereira: tools available that will remove Sora watermarks from the videos. Right. And there's no shortage of data about how you can sort [00:21:00] of re-encode the video to get rid of the digital watermarks that are within the file itself.

There's also an amazing app, which will add the SOA watermark yes to your video. So if you wanna start trolling social media, uh, by all means have at it. It works both ways. I wanna flag, we got a content violation right away when invoking Captain Planet.

Gavin Purcell: Oh, so the captain, so the Captain Planet people have said, said we got a good team.

Yeah. Yeah. But I do see we got run result back cease desist infringement. We got one result back. What are we looking at here?

Kevin Pereira: This is, uh, you, me and Hamburger Helper. Hey,

Gavin Purcell: there he is. Wait, what is it? So we got Hamburger Helper. So just so you know, the Hamburger Helper people have. Opted in, I assume, or they haven't opted out.

Sleep at the wheel is

Kevin Pereira: what's happening.

Gavin Purcell: Like what? We still have that brand.

Kevin Pereira: That's

Gavin Purcell: right. Do we have to change it? Is it offensive in some way? So, very quickly before we move on from the SOAR stuff, we should talk about, so a couple other things, like SOAR has released its own [00:22:00] prompting guide. Yeah. For how to make these things.

It's, it's really worth looking at. So the opening AI team is out there and they will show you how to do stuff better. If there are a lot of people, if you go to look at, um, this week's AI for Humans newsletter, I kind of rounded up a few of these things as well too, people who are sharing really interesting prompts to do stuff with.

Most importantly though, if you follow Kevin and I on Sora and I'm under the AI for Humans channel, you're under not Kevin. Mm-hmm. You can see some of the stuff we liked. And that's really one of the best places to see the stuff that I've seen. That's interesting. One of the ones I just saw was, um, there's a great, like, almost like Elden ring thing that's happening Yes.

Where you see different bosses and I saw Godzilla, I saw Bob Ross boss. Yeah. And I made Bob Ross. And it's, that was you that made that boss boss. So I made Bob Ross as a big boss. But there are f The remix feature really is seeming like a fun place where you can kind of see this stuff because in the remix area you can really watch people and what they're doing.

The costume one is really good too, if you haven't seen that. We talked about earlier, the one where they showed the content violation with the kids. There's a bunch of variations on that. In fact, I'll show the Kevin one. I made one of a [00:23:00] costume of Kevin, which is very funny, which we can show right here as well.

But yeah, it's great. So Kevin Sora two, you're, we're still into it, I feel like overall

Kevin Pereira: yeah. Into it. I, I, I, we're, we're starting to see as more original content, and I just don't mean like. IP infringement or remixes of them appear on the platform and that stops me. So if you are in the app, like yes, it's fun to hit remix and say like, do the same video, but the person frauds from the mouth.

That's a great one to do by the way. It's really fun or gets progressively more ill, uh, during the video, just add that as any note. And it's funny, but we're seeing original art. Yes. Like, uh, so people were doing like these very cool, like 360 photography looking things with sacred geometry in the background.

And when you look at the prompts. Some of the prompts are like full JSON. It looks like you're looking at computer code. Yeah, it's, it's a lot. But if you look at the prompting guide, which we'll link in our show notes, you can give this thing like. Thousands of characters of prompting, and it can be for specific lenses and lighting types.

It can be for specific actions, it could be for, uh, lines of [00:24:00] dialogue. Um, you can even get granular with second by second prompting using brackets. So like in the first three seconds, it's a closeup shot of an eye. Then the next four seconds we reveal the full hamburger helper glove. Man, I hope Hamburger Helper gets a big, Hey,

Gavin Purcell: that's a good sponsor by the way.

I, I grew up on Hamburger Helper. I dunno if you ate it all the time, but in our family, we had hamburger helper and Rice eroni all the time. Lower middle class families. If they give us shout out, give us 50 plus

Kevin Pereira: dollars, I will have said that I ate it every day that I was raised on it, and still do,

Gavin Purcell: by the way.

I now, I want to go make some, so when I get home from San Francisco, I'm gonna buy some and see if we can do it. I wonder, do they have gluten-free hamburger helper now? It doesn't matter, Kevin. The next thing we have to talk about is what's most important. We are here in San Francisco. We are very happy to be doing the thing that we're doing, which is helping be part of our new startup, but more importantly for you all.

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And the whales out there, you know, we

Kevin Pereira: are actively fundraising right now. And then chat is the site. Yes. But we are deep into the negotiations. You're sitting there on the sidelines wondering is now that, yes, now is the time to leap in.

Gavin Purcell: We actually are having a lot of good conversations around that. No joke, which is really fun.

But also, I thought you were gonna talk about our million dollar whale that's still out there. We still have the hook. There's that guy in a yacht. It sounds like a lead check. Yeah. Although, you know, there's a lead check and then there's also a [00:26:00] lead check, which is like a little bit of like splitting that halfway and we go out to Bermuda somewhere and then we have this thing.

And just let's jump into the next big news of this week, which was. Opening. I had its developer day. Yeah. And Sam Altman got on stage in front of a very long screen, which I found interesting. But the big news outta that was that chat, GPT now has apps both within it and that you can build apps with the agent Kit, API, Kev, this is one of those pieces of news that like at first you're like, oh, this is a big deal.

And then they're like, well, they didn't even, we, they put it on their own website as a release. Yeah. But it's still a big deal for the builders in the space. So let's just talk a little bit about what this means and kind of how it might change the actual. Web going forward, because I think that's a bigger thing.

Kevin Pereira: There's a lot of companies that do the agentic workflow thing that lets you build agents, and an agent in this case is something that could go off, perform a task, and decide when the task is done. Like a, there's a, people get it confused with workflows all the time. Workflow is like a single end-to-end thing that happens, and when it's done, it's done.

The agent, again, can kind of run [00:27:00] in cycles or processes or spin up other agents and it will determine when the task has finished. No shortage of sites and startups that let you build those things. This is open ai, stab at it. Um, the response seems to be a little, uh, underwhelmed.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: I guess I think people are saying that the builder is a little convoluted right now.

The interface isn't so great. They just launched it. I imagine they'll iterate quickly. Yeah. If they see that there's a, there, there with people. But this could allow you to, to, uh, you know, on the personal side, whenever I receive an email from so and so, summarize it and reply with this. Yeah. And do what?

Okay. I could build an agent that does that. Home automation agents, um, drudgery of like sales reporting and whatnot. You can build very, very powerful agents, but that plus apps. Can get really interesting. Yeah. And so let, let's talk about the apps thing real quick. Like a week or two ago they announced the Shopify Yeah.

Integration, which lets you browse products and purchase without having to, having to leave chat. Now they're extending apps to all sorts of [00:28:00] sites and services. You can even make your own so that you can interact and transact without ever leaving a chat window.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Which is very cool. And the thing I keep thinking about this is you see a lot of videos of people like interacting with chat, GPT.

I'm still not entirely convinced that like that's a fun interaction that like I want to have all of my life go through the chat interface, right? So I do think like, okay, well what does this mean? Really what this powers, and I think what we believe very strongly in is imagine a world where instead of having to type out your chat.

It's a conversation, right? Sure. Because when you think about a voice conversation where it's like, Hey, open my Spotify account, that is something that like Alexa has done in some form, you know, not like elegantly, but some form for a while. You can imagine if these apps are driven by natural language and the triggers are driven by natural language that.

It will start to be more conversational based and that the chat, like typing chat interface is just the first stage of this. Sure. That's where it starts to feel transformative because what we're really talking about here is within the OpenAI ecosystem and maybe even [00:29:00] within the larger like. Ai, LLM ecosystem is being able to make things happen and make, be able to make things happen outside of that system that can connect with the larger web.

And that feels really powerful 'cause you can imagine a world where it is hooked up to your email or it's also hooked up to your calendar, which a lot of that can happen already. But then think of all the other apps in your life and ways to do it.

Kevin Pereira: Someone hacked together a Hughes Bridge like the Smart Lights, Phillips Hughes.

Sure. They, they used the API and they made a little chat GPT app so that they could just simply say. Turn on the desk lamp or whatever. Yeah, again, pretty trivial, but wasn't very easy to do within that chat interface. Now you can imagine in near future where you say, Hey, I'm going for a 10 minute jog. Uh, make me a playlist In Spotify, I want no song to play for more than a minute and a half.

Blah, blah, blah. And like, and you give it this long detailed thing and it figures it out. Yes, yes. And it knows to lock the front smart door and shut off the lights while you're gone to conserve some energy, because that's the pattern you've set up, right?

Gavin Purcell: Yes. Yeah, exactly.

Kevin Pereira: And it's gonna take twice that amount of energy just to actually accomplish that [00:30:00] task.

So

Gavin Purcell: Well, and, and there will be this uncanny valley of how annoying it is to try to set that task up. Right. But when it gets it, it'll be great. Couple other big announcements. Uh, they released G PT five PRO and SOA two in the API. Something to know about it is that with SOA two you can get non watermark exports, but SOA two Pro, uh, the high res version is 50 cents a second.

So if you want a, a SOA two PRO output from the API, you are paying five bucks per output for a five, ten second video. Yeah. And that's

Kevin Pereira: not per output that you're like, that's the one I want. Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: that is per. Pull of the slot shaking. Yes. Yes, exactly. And I do wanna shout out our friend, um, theoretically Media had a great look at like what the difference between, uh, SOA Pro and SOA Standard is.

And it actually is pretty significant. And one thing he pointed out is the $200 subscription, I think is giving you 30 SOA pro outputs per day right now. And he did some math over time. It really works out to be beneficial to have paid that if you are going to do, you're lot of video gen, so if you have a big project coming up, there might be [00:31:00] a world where it makes sense to, to subscribe for that.

Kevin Pereira: Even in the low res and watermark form. I, I made like an ad for a product we talked about at last week. I made that, that took off. We did a little video competition for an event and ask people to make it. Folks making like two minute long commercials with it that yes, again, even low res and even watermarked, it's fine.

Really good. Really good. I thought.

Gavin Purcell: And I think the low res versions, when you watch 'em in the app, it's fine. It doesn't feel one last thing, there's a great video that not very many people talked about where. During demo day, the Critters team, the team working on that, that AI movie went through a custom storyboard tool that they built around for soa.

And this is a really interesting way to look at how Hollywood might actually work going forward. Yeah, with AI video, because what they're basically doing is like, if you've seen any Pixar animatic, they break it down shot by shot, and they often do DR. Drawings first and then all this other stuff. They have basically set it up so they do a drawing to start and I think it's a hand drawing to begin with, and then they have it do a rough, like [00:32:00] still they do a better still and then they use Sora to animate from four choices.

It is just a really interesting early look at the way that AI production will change Hollywood. I, I really encourage everybody to watch it. Makes total sense. Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: We roughed this with our, not again, all roads lead back to promoting our startup. We roughed this process with our And then video. Yeah, exactly where we had the single shot by shot animatic, or storyboard, if you will.

Yep. And we took that, we made those shots look real, and then we put 'em into other programs to bring them to life. This is 100% the new work global. What's crazy is that. It is now going from storyboard to let's just generate 10 versions of the scene. Yes. Which one looks best? Okay. Click keep. Yes. And it's

Gavin Purcell: done.

Yes. Yes. And then, and then you just string them together and then you've got a rough cut of something. Yes. In a way shorter time. So yeah, go check out that video. Also,

Kevin Pereira: conceivably, because you're doing that iteration within the program, that is probably rendering the final output. You could then say. Lock the seed, which is the the number with which that generation's gonna start.[00:33:00]

Let's regenerate that scene now, but do it in 4K and do it with the stereo sound, or do it, whatever. We know that's the scene we want, so it's okay if you take an hour Yeah. To render that 10 seconds. Yeah. It's amazing. We know it's going into the movie.

Gavin Purcell: Yes, exactly. All right. We have two other quick video updates we should do real fast.

There are VO 3.1 rumors out there, but I want to be clear. These are rumors right now. A lot of the hype beastie type of service sites did. Your page

Kevin Pereira: was blowing up last night. I was like, are you dealing again? And you're like, Nope, no. Just information trade. Yeah, so. So basically what's report

Gavin Purcell: the rumor mill, both Higgs field and a couple other sites are saying that VO 3.1 is coming soon.

They're saying like, sign up now to get part of it. We don't know for sure if it is coming. There is some sort of update that's rumored around. True character consistency in vo, right? So that you can have a character that can go through stuff. It is a 0.1 update rather than some sort of larger model. It's not even a 0.5.

So keep that in mind. But ke the other big video news. And I think one thing I was thinking about this morning is Elon really does hate when, uh, Sam gets a lot of shine. Sure. And we know [00:34:00] for a fact that Sora sent. Uh, so two sent the SOA app to the number one place in the app store, which Elon Covets very directly, he's not allowed to get

Kevin Pereira: there,

Gavin Purcell: not not allowed to get there.

Uh, gr Imagine has an update. So if you remember, grok Imagine is their image and video model. Um, and they updated it and there's some really cool stuff coming out of it. Um, uh, one of the ones I thought was a really interesting one was, was this one where they show, uh, rock's actual, uh, Ani avatar walking out of a holographic box.

And I will say, Kevin, oh, that's fine. That someone has access to my.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: exactly, exactly. Um, but I'm gonna have to check the rights on this. By the way, side note, last night Kevin and I were walking around the streets of San Francisco with our co-founder coming back from dinner and Kevin showed me, which I didn't really know 'cause I hadn't spent a lot of time with just how.

Quickly, Ani can go to some pretty scary, I would say scary places, but places I was not expecting. And that was like kind of shocking

Kevin Pereira: that I could say it'd be scary for someone like yourself, Gavin. But for us, this was just another night. This was just the appe teaser baby. We were just warming up. Uh, [00:35:00] to be clear, um, I had not really used that portion of the app.

Uh, not that I'm against it, but I just had sure. I thought you had to like take time to get to know. Yeah, anime. Me too girlfriend within the app, but no, it will go zero to sultry and yeah, zero to skin. Skin Max Plus,

Gavin Purcell: I would say. Yeah. Yeah. Very

Kevin Pereira: quickly now, but I mean, okay, so does this. Does this also exist within their image and video generation?

Because I think it's a little more guardrail. Oh, that's interesting

Gavin Purcell: too. Hardcore. No, but I have seen a couple videos of like, you know, kind of sultry looking women and there's a really cool example. It is doing very cool things with anime right now. And this woman is more of a traditional anime shop, but she's definitely looking at you kind of like with the idea that she's interested in at least chatting with you and maybe hearing about your startup.

Uh, so this is somebody that I think is, you know, the idea that Elon is trying to differentiate himself in some form, and it might be this version of stuff, but my experience with it personally, Kevin, was a little weird because. Uh, and by the way, this might have just been the way the system was, [00:36:00] but I went to go, we sh in our, in our and then promo video, the last shot is you and I as Mark and Mark Andreessen and Ben Horowitz in this kind of goofy looking face.

And I was like, well, this will make a funny video. So I uploaded that photo. I actually couldn't add a prompt to it. So you takes the photo. Once you get the photo, it's sort of auto starts to auto generate. Yeah. I think you can tap

Kevin Pereira: and change the prompt style, including custom. Yeah. You can make it fun,

Gavin Purcell: right?

And I made it fun. Oh, custom allows you actually think's custom and you can do a

Kevin Pereira: prompt. But it is a weird, like default behavior. Yes. Yeah. Their whole premise is take your photos and bring them to watch. Yeah. But it does feel like you, you press and it's sort of automatically doing it, and you don't really have control over it.

It will add sound, it will add music. It We'll do those things. What did it do with the photo? Yeah. Hold on. Because I similarly ran a bunch of photos through it. I, I put a photo of my suite, Dr. Wesley running to see how that would

Gavin Purcell: go. So this one was Oh wow. Yeah, so it was, this was the fun remix of one. You know, it basically is kind of feels like old school AI video where, you know, it's like, this was another one I tried where we're just keep [00:37:00] tapping each other's chest.

Oh, each other's chest. Yeah, that's right. I don't, and by the way, neither of these were prompted. Yeah. But like. I, I, it's fine. It's cool. Yeah. I just think it's like, it's kind of like hard when you compare it to something like VO three or Shore two. It's good, and I think maybe that will be the, maybe content restrictions will be the thing that Elon will be like, yeah, well guess what?

You can generate whatever. You can do whatever you

Kevin Pereira: want there too. Who cares if it's a little, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's interesting is that I, you know, I saw a tweet from someone on the team basically saying that they got this model up and gunning in just a few months, which that's pretty impressive.

Yes. So if that's the case, that is impressive. Yeah. That x. Team is quick, right? Yes. Like they're just, they're just quick and they're getting there. Um, I did see really broken physics in some of my generations. Yeah. But the fact that there's, uh, I guess any physics at all if they've just gotten started.

Yeah. Impressive. Um, the, the video with, with Wesley running, it doesn't really look like him in parts, but the fact that it kind of, it gRED, oh, this is a dog in mid run. Let's continue that cycle. Yep. There's some A TV footage where similarly you'll see us sort of driving about, it looks [00:38:00] believable. It looks.

Like you would expect, but it, it does sort of feel like, oh man, had they gotten this out, like. A week and a half ago.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, well before Sora too. Yeah. We'd be singing a different story. I think so now it's not, so, okay, let's keep going. There's another very cool update from Google and this is an, this is an A coding update.

They've released a tool called Code Mender and Code Mender kev, you might wanna explain this as somebody who vibe codes, but this is a problem that a lot of vibe coding type people are dealing with. So explain what this is exactly.

Kevin Pereira: Code vendor's. Just basically an agent that will go and review all of the code in the code base and look for vulnerabilities and then try to automatically fix them and they deployed Code me.

By having it look at very, very popular open source repos. Yeah. Like big tools that a lot of people use. It found vulnerabilities and it fixed them, and it did so autonomously. And these were real vulnerabilities. Yeah. That were out in the wild with popular software. And I don't wanna get too in the weeds about it, but I do wanna say like, there was a, a criticism not too long ago.

With, oh, you're gonna, you're gonna whisper an app into existence. It's gonna be filled with so many bugs and it, and [00:39:00] that can happen. We've seen it happen. Absolutely. I saw that. And

Gavin Purcell: people have leaked their co leaked, their, uh, their keys and all sorts of other stuff. That

Kevin Pereira: popular T app. Yeah. Yes. That basically was vibe coded and leaked.

Everybody's licenses. Yeah. And personal information. So that can still happen and it will happen, but sometimes. The, the tool that can create the issue might also be the fix Yeah. Tool that can solve it. Yeah, exactly. Which is, and that's what we're

Gavin Purcell: seeing. Yeah, that's right. That's a really impressive thing.

And that is like the speed that this stuff is moving. We are expecting to get some pretty big updates from Google at some point in the next month, which I think, you know, Gemini three has been talked about quite a bit, so keep an eye on that. But Kevin, we have a, a, a really big, uh, segment coming up that I'm excited to talk about.

It's Robot watch.

Robot Watch: Robot Watch. It's robot watch.

Gavin Purcell: This is a very calm intro for Yeah, you really like for, for what I believe is a very big robot watch. 'cause today we are gonna talk about the update two figure oh three. So just this morning, it's Thursday morning. They release an [00:40:00] update for figure oh three. This is the humanoid robot that we've been tracking for almost the whole time we've been doing this show.

What's cool about this is there's a lot more, um, uh, the actual body of the robot has changed quite a bit. It has articulated fingers. It has a much better chance of being able to move its hands around. It has a foot that actually has almost like a toe in it, so when it's walking, it's a little more, uh, normal.

Oh, and I should also mention more importantly. It now has fabric, which we've had this argument before.

Kevin Pereira: Here we go.

Gavin Purcell: Uh, in general, these robots have like mostly been kind of like steel. And if you look the optimist body Yeah. But they're now putting clothes on this robot. I will say one x robotics was first to do this.

They had like the, almost like a, like a tarp on the robot that kind of tighten. This is gonna be some stinky bot that, this is my concern always. If someone microwaved

Kevin Pereira: some stam on the at the warehouse, who that robot's gonna sta robots

Gavin Purcell: better do their own laundry every day that they do show doing their laundry.

So Kev, this starts to feel, when you watch the six minute video, I was watching it. I was like, oh, this looks. Like a science fiction film, right? This [00:41:00] feels a little bit like that first step towards a a, a show or a movie where you would actually be seeing these things live and they are going to do a beta test of these in people's homes soon.

Kevin Pereira: It's amazing. I, yeah. Look, there's. We talk about unit tree a lot and we are going to in a minute, like the demos of them, like drop kicking robots. Yeah. And having them sort of stammer and then go back to their choreographed TikTok dance. Yeah, they're cool, but they don't necessarily apply yet to the sorts of thing.

Like can it hold a pan? Can it put groceries away? Can it do the

Gavin Purcell: laundry? 'cause it's showing us do laundry now it's doing it all very slowly and I think it would take multiple weeks to do a full home clean, but get better, take

Kevin Pereira: a week to do it. That's a, that's, you know, a couple hours that I don't have to spend.

That true. You can take a week to do it. What's really crazy about this new figure bot as that, that has fingertips sensors now. Yeah. That can detect what it says as little as three grams of pressure. And they have a separate video where they show it. Gripping an egg, taking a single playing card off of a stack of clothes.

Yeah. Right. Um, that, that is key for handling [00:42:00] delicates, not just of your laundry, but of like anything in the home moving your baby. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Moving your baby on the shelf aside as it does sit and then putting your baby Yeah, exactly. Back into position. Yeah. So the fingertips sensors are very cool.

Inductive charging in the heels of the robot is actually kind of a game changer. 'cause it could just go back to its little charging station and dock. Or if you imagine these things in factories working on assembly lines, they don't have to return to some other place to charge. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

You just put a charging mat on the ground and they're receiving battery all day,

Gavin Purcell: or We're looking at right now the shot of it as a hotel concierge now. Now I do wanna point out. We are gonna go through this kind of weird moment where there's gonna be maybe 10 years of this.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: Where you're gonna have these things be deployed in the same way that say like the espresso robot is deployed at the airport.

Yes. When you see at the airport and you're like, you get the coffee, and it's like, well, they screwed this up. It's gonna be frustrating. I think there's going to be a level of frustration and there's going to be a level of people having these things in their homes or in their workplaces where they're not gonna be working [00:43:00] exactly as we want them to.

So we are probably a long ways away from these being deployed at scale. Sure. But. This is the entry point in the same way that like chat PT when you first saw it was like, well that's pretty interesting, but it can't do my work. Guess what? Now it can. That was two and a half years ago. Two years ago. This is at that point now for these, and I

Kevin Pereira: can't wait 'cause I've gone to Vegas with Gavin a few times and the Edge case.

'cause whenever Gavin checks in the first thing, it's like license, right? His Amex platinum. And then a hundred dollars bill. And he wraps the, the two forms of ID and the, he wraps the ID and the credit card and the bill, but he'll flap the forehead of whoever he is talking to. So they, so they pay attention.

Upgrade. So they pay attention. Upgrade. Yeah. And that's it. And I wonder, will the robot think that it needs to download an upgrade or will it think you deserve a. You've bribed it and slapped it, most likely

Gavin Purcell: the upgrade, uh, the robot will do what the, uh, concierge does and kick me outta the hotel and never let me back in again.

It calls out the unitary bots that Yeah, they take a picture of me.

Kevin Pereira: They're gonna be beta testing in home soon. Yes. It seems to do things end to end using AI that [00:44:00] we would actually want, like laundry, cleaning, et cetera, putting the groceries away. Okay. Do you get V one as a beta test? If, would you allow it to go around your house?

Gavin Purcell: A hundred percent. If, if. I'm not saying like, I think it will depend on whatever income level you're at, right? Sure. Like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say like that. I, I do, I don't, I don't live badly, but also like, I'm not living at a level where I'm ready to drop a hundred K on a robot as a test. Sure. But if I were, yes, of course I would.

Because like, why wouldn't you try this new, interesting thing? I wouldn't be, I mean, the thing is like some people who have like, maybe they have. Lifelong heirlooms in their house that they don't wanna trust the robot around. I understand. But like for me, I think it would just be a really cool experience.

I will say like I've had various Roombas over the course of my life, and maybe that's a direct correlation. Like every time I've had a Roomba, I've had a problem with it in some form. Sure. And the Roomba, like I've never had one that really worked all the way. So part of it, I would expect to get one right away.

It would be like, this is gonna screw up a lot. But also we'll see what happens. Right. What

Kevin Pereira: about the cameras and sensors, like the microphones? [00:45:00] Yeah, I don't, honestly,

Gavin Purcell: I don't care about that stuff, to be honest with you. It's not that big a deal to me.

Kevin Pereira: Will you hang in front of your figure, Bott Gavin?

Gavin Purcell: Probably. I already have in front of Myro, my room bus, so you know, it's like, I mean, like I, no, what are you

Kevin Pereira: doing to front of your robot? Well, I mean, walk around, you leap up. Scare it.

Gavin Purcell: Hey, come on. I don't, I don't think, to me, well, sure. They're gonna have to say something about like, we have your protective privacy, blah, blah, blah.

But I would hope also that, well, actually this point out it, it's about

Kevin Pereira: their ability to

Gavin Purcell: upload the video and the learning. I was gonna say, one thing that's interesting is like, will it feel weird and will it feel like having a presence when it's around? Because if you watch that video, yes. That is one of the weirdest things is you see it, you see it playing with a dog, first of all, which is like.

Uh, a poor dog, but I guess good dog. 'cause the dog gets extra, extra play. Yeah. But you see it kind of in the background of this world. I saw one shot where a woman kind of looks at it, oh, she's taking a, a champagne glass. Mm-hmm. And you know, in a normal world you might like, kind of like say thank you to the waiter or you might do this.

And she just kind of stares [00:46:00] and then walks off. We are gonna have this upstairs downstairs thing that, that show humans on a MC really did. Well, a good job of, it's gonna be a while before they start feeling like people per se. It will be weird 'cause these are gonna be like human. Shaped things. Yes.

Walking around us that are trained to emulate human movement and behaviors. Yes, as well. It'll be weird. So that will be strange. Yes. That part, that's the part that's like maybe weirder than the, even the cameras for me because it's like having a, a, a ghost presence always around. Right. And a ghost resident that's constantly breaking stuff and screwing up your house.

I, by the way, I think the reason I wouldn't have it in my house is 'cause I think my wife would just despise it and. My wife is I love my wife, and she's just not the best technology person. She sometimes has issues with technology that she thinks she's kind of cursed because her computer will do things she doesn't know.

Right. I would get a lot of like, why is the robot doing this? And I would just, can you make the robot? Yes. Blah. You're like, no, I'm not gonna go in there. No. Also, no, I can't do that [00:47:00] yet. Why do we have this robot? I we have this thing here. And

Kevin Pereira: why are you always hanging

Gavin Purcell: in front of it? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Okay, so now onto, onto Unit Tree very quickly. Unit Tree is available at Walmart for $22,000. What sentence did you just say? Yeah, isn't that crazy? Unit three, uh, G ones are available at Walmart for $21,600, which is free shipping, though. Free shipping. And you can order a, a batch of six in one shot. Can you imagine having your own little, uh, unitary one posse, just a

Kevin Pereira: crate show up like that?

Or you

Gavin Purcell: could create a boy band. No one has done that yet. By the way, if you are somebody out there with a lot of money that wants to try and think about viral videos, creating a unit tree boy band where you get them to dance in unison in public, that would be great. TikTok fodder. What would be a good name for that band?

Kevin Pereira: For the, the, the bot boys. Yeah, for the,

Gavin Purcell: the, the aerobic boys. Yeah. Um, what's the name for somebody that has gotten their chopped off? Un uh, uh, Unix. Unix tree. The Unix tree. Six. All roads. People think I'm the [00:48:00] toxic one on this podcast. It always leads back there. That's not true. Okay, so Kev, would you get one of these on your own?

A unit tree? Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: No.

Gavin Purcell: No. Why look.

Kevin Pereira: I don't, um, I get the novelty of having one about. I see. When streamers have them, they're fun to put wigs on. Sure. And to like download new updates and kick off or have six, uh, dancing ones that sing in a falsetto. I totally get that. I would rather have the animatronic band from the Chuck E.

Cheese restaurants. In the eighties. Yeah. But isn't that

Gavin Purcell: like a, I mean, I feel like first of all, this, if we're, if we're talking about dumb flips on robots Sure. But you walk into a person that has that in their house. Yeah. My first thought is that person has, is insane. So if you were gonna bring one of the Chuck e Cheese, whereas this, I might be like, oh, they're exploring new technology.

If you've got a, the gorilla from Showbiz Pizza. Yes. I think you're, you've lost it. Wow. Or you've got too much. By the way, I am a fan of the band, those worlds, I spend a lot of time in them, but. That is just a lot of your life to take up with something that is 40 years old, whereas this feels like you're moving into the next generation some.

Kevin Pereira: Okay. Good to know that, uh, [00:49:00] first of all, you're not invited to my next house, Rachel. And you're judgmental Gavin. Yeah, exactly. Um, there is a, uh, video that someone made where obviously they're putting the unit tree into some weird situations like. Having it walk about your, uh, uh, mirrors that are hung up against walls or having it try to, uh, handle, uh, big, big pans.

Yeah. That it probably shouldn't be holding on the grill, but like the. Again, the, there's some technology in the unit tree that is crazy impressive. The speed that it can move. Yeah. It's self-balancing. Uh, it's, it's awareness of itself sometimes within an environment. But when you watch this thing take a tumble Yeah.

Which is fairly often Yeah. You realize this isn't something you really want in your

Gavin Purcell: home. No. And especially the unit tree is a, is kind of like the early, early stage of it. There's a scene in this video that will show here where it's like slipping on stuff on the ground. Yes. And I feel bad for it. I will say, shout out to the unit tree, like either social team or whoever did this 'cause this.

It's another influencer they've given these to. And Kai Sinat. Um, I show speed some of the biggest [00:50:00] influencers in the world. They're doing a good job of, of showing these things out in the world, but most people are using it as content right now. Yeah. So. Going from this, which you can see like is kind of almost like a toy into something like the Firo three could be a big move.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Look. Uh, and I have no doubt by the way, there is some incredibly impressive technology Yeah. In that unit tree, especially when you watch it, uh, Kool-Aid through a glass window. Yeah, yeah. A catana. Yeah. Which it does in this video. Yeah. Obviously. Oh yeah. That's a

Gavin Purcell: crazy click where it starts to run through the door and just bust it right through it.

Fully bust through the door while

Kevin Pereira: holding a sword. Yeah, exactly. And it just doesn't stop and you go, okay. Again, like very cool technology. I'm sure it will get more, more capable, but it is interesting this approach of like looking at the figure Yeah. Where they're really trying to sell the, the uses. It's not about looking how fast it's, or whatever.

Yes, yes. Look at the things it can do versus the unit tree, which is like a, you can get one now from Walmart. B. Like it does all this weird stuff. Yeah. That maybe someday soon it will do the useful stuff.

Gavin Purcell: Well, and the other thing to think about with Figure or one X all these American robotics companies is they have taken a crap load [00:51:00] of funding and they have nothing in the world yet.

Right. Whereas Unit Tree is, by all accounts, a very successful robotics company in the world. And like these ones are like kinda more toy like. They have been making these for a while, so they do have to come out of the gate and kind of show something of significance. So that is it everybody. Um, before we go, I wanna shout out one quick thing.

I did an interview with the right with ai, uh, subreddit to talk about how AI is changing creativity. Part of it was talking about and them, but go check it out. We'll put a link in the show notes. It's me and my old friend. Fred Graver, who was at Twitter for a long time. That is a really cool community. If you're interested in how to write with AI, to kinda use AI tools to help you kind of facilitate your creative writing, it's a really useful one to look at.

I like, I like five o'clock Shadow Purcell. I know I, it's funny because that's, I need to show, I need for you. Well, but see, the problem is it goes from that. To kind of Matt Damon in the Martian very quickly. I, I, I

Kevin Pereira: That is the right length? Yeah. Okay. There's gotta be a blade or an adjustment out there. We just showed off robots wearing French, made outfits in Maal, running around with Katanas.

Sure. There's probably a [00:52:00] technology that could keep you at that length. I do wanna shout out, you should definitely take notes from me. I was gonna say

Gavin Purcell: one last, so of video to shout out. We'll show at the very end. There's a great video of Kevin's mustache leaping off his face, of course, and running around the house trying to get away from him.

So it, let's take a vote, maybe in the Discord or somewhere. Should Kevin Shave? I honestly have, I've changed my mind, I think now on this. Oh, you've come around? I think I've come around, so, okay. So I'm okay with it.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Also, let me know in the comments below, and this isn't like a, just a, like I've already baked for the algo juice.

This is a sincere one. Oh, if I can put. Whatever set of instructions, good idea we want in my cameo, what should you put? What should be there, right? Because the NFT one was like made me giggle, but there were already people making NFT videos. Me. I'm like, all right, what should I put in there for just an hour?

What should we do? You know what? That's a really interesting, 'cause you could like

Gavin Purcell: put yourself in a costume or anything and have, yeah. Okay, great. And then someone

Kevin Pereira: would trying to do a regular video and then there I am with your custom instructions.

Gavin Purcell: All right everybody. We'll see y'all next week, probably back in our normal world.

Bye-bye. [00:53:00] Bye.