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Gavin Purcell: [00:00:00] Google is making news in the AI race.

Kevin Pereira: Their Made with AI event showed some amazing new tech. You can edit photos with your voice. They've got apps that know exactly what you want when you supposedly want it. And to me, the killer app, voice to voice, real time translation.

Jimmy Fallon: Hi Karen, can you hear me? Does this work?

Kevin Pereira: This might be the moment that the big G flips not only open ai, but also Apple,

no notes. Sam Altman is not taking this sitting down though, 'cause he's already out there yapping a big game about. GPT six.

Gavin Purcell: It's coming eventually. Plus, Elon goes off about a new AI heat controls that will help people make

Kevin Pereira: babies, no notes. We've also got new releases from runway, from 11 labs and a humanoid robot that loves to flex its traps.

Gavin Purcell: And at the end of today's show, we are going [00:01:00] to give you a sneak peek of a special project that we've been working on that you can play right now. Oh, no, no, no, no. Gavin, I think you need to, huh? Pretty good everybody. This is AI. For humans say, press get it. I, I have to say some things Kevin. I have to say something, but you could press.

Kevin Pereira: Let's start the show. Let's start the show. It sounds like where my mom gets her shoes actually

Robot Watch: pay less. Pay less.

Gavin Purcell: Welcome everybody to AI for humans. And Kevin. Google is looking good right now. We're looking like a good little goog time because, uh, there was some. Siding news from Google this week. Are you

Kevin Pereira: leaning over the crib and are you tickling someone's, uh, chin there. Woo. Who's got a good little goog? I don't, I can't, I can't do voices.

Don't blame you if you already closed this podcast.

Gavin Purcell: We can't do baby voices this early. Yeah. All right. So Kevin, let's talk about this. So there was a big event hosted by my friend Jimmy Fallon. The who I used to work with was out there in Brooklyn. And they did a big event to [00:02:00] show off the new Google Pixel, but also dropped a ton of AI stuff.

And Kev, we'll get into each of these things, but I also think that really important thing to think about here is this feels like Google might be taking a, a, a lead in this, in this space. So let's, let's kind of get into what they talked

Kevin Pereira: about.

Gavin Purcell: Hundred

Kevin Pereira: percent.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: I, last night was running the numbers in my little brain.

The hamster was running full steam on the, the spinning wheel. Can I get rid of? Can I get rid of iMessage? Like, could I actually adopt Google as my primary driver? Because I, I do use Gmail for my email and I do have a lot of drives and docs. Like this was the first time I was genuinely running that experiment in my brain.

And it's not because of some magical hand, wavy, probably never going to arrive, intelligence features. This was just like. It seemed like very intelligent applications. Yes. Of the tech within the bounds that we know it can actually work. So let's start with a couple of those things, shall we? New devices, right?

Okay, great. There's a new watch. There's a new fleet of pixel [00:03:00] phones. There's one. Ah, who care? Who cares? Who cares? Who cares? I think the folding one is actually kind of cool, but what? The folding ones fine. What matters is. What can you do with those devices? Yes. Yes. And the AI features look great, starting with one that that had a lot of people wowed when they were, they showed an image of like a little blue car and you're like, oh, look at that little blue car.

And then they do the enhanced move, except they're zooming out. And they're zooming out and they're zooming out. And you realize that little blue car was. Probably a like half a mile away from where the photo was taken with a cell phone camera. But thanks to the Majesty that is artificial intelligence, it looks like you were

Gavin Purcell: right up in the grill.

Yeah, I mean, here's the thing about this and the other things we're about to talk about. They all, to Kevin's point, feel like practical applications of AI that you might use in your real life. Yes. This is not. Trying to figure out how to do advanced mathematics, which we'll get into and how cool that is.

But like these are things that are using super advanced AI and they're putting in the hands of real people. And Kevin, when I saw that, I was like. We are now in a world where like, you know, I'll be able to sit on my dock, uh, which I have a very [00:04:00] fancy lakehouse thanks to the, uh, million dollar subscriber, which came through finally.

Thank you for that very much. I used it on a boathouse, a, a Lakehouse. I'll sit on my dock and I'll be able to see across the way. I'll be able to see my dog who's on the other side of my property. I can't because it's the entirely, I literally was.

Kevin Pereira: I thought you were like squatting on an anchor device to charge yourself when you said sitting on your dog.

Gavin Purcell: So

Kevin Pereira: Really I was like, is that Purcell Q3? What is that? Do you have magnets in your lower back? Not like

Gavin Purcell: an actual doc. Anyway, what I'm saying here is. This is stuff you'll actually use. And, and another thing that they mentioned was this natural language photo editing software, which again, you've, we've started to play with this a little bit in things like, um, chat, GPT where you use image gen and you might say it like, do this or do that, but what they're showing off here, and I think this will get into nano banana in a bit, which is their kind of secret image model that I think might be empowering some of this stuff.

It's just good. It works. Yeah. And this is the thing that Apple does not have. Apple does not have AI that works. Chat PT kind of works a lot, you know when you, when you use it, but there's still [00:05:00] problems. If Google can make these things just work, that is a very big deal. This is the

Kevin Pereira: world that Gavin is getting frothy for.

'cause these are tools that now have real world use in application. He can be. In his hotel room, phone in front of the curtain, zooming in on the person walking on the beach. He could then say, remove shoes. He could then say, transform feet to green ogre. Stinky, stinky cheese, please. Okay, now it's, thank you Google, daddy.

We're

Gavin Purcell: bleeping it. We're coming back and we're back.

Kevin Pereira: The real world use cases that that is what it's about. Right? And I believe that these things are going to be able to do this some on device and some in the cloud, and we know this because we've been playing with it as well. Then they showed off. Magic Q, which is like a shot across Apple's bow by calling anything magic in general.

Magic Q is an AI powered feature for these new pixel devices that surfaces information intelligently as it's needed. Yeah. So if, for example, Gavin is texting me saying, Hey, where are you at? Where are we going tonight? Where's the club? [00:06:00] Which is what he says all of the time. All the time. It's a Google device.

It could go and look at my calendar, it can look through my emails, it can look through other text messages and kind of surface a right in the moment, something that I can tap, which just sends the contextually accurate information. Now, have we used this feature yet? No. Is it a little hand wavy? Will it work exactly as you want?

When we want, I, I don't know, but the promise seems to be there. Yeah. And unlike Apple intelligence, I do think people has, they have the under power.

Gavin Purcell: They have the

Kevin Pereira: model.

Gavin Purcell: They have the model, which is interesting 'cause I, I was just thinking about how. Bad. I still think those apple summaries are, which come through on my phone all the time.

I probably should figure out a way to turn them off, but like, I shut mine off if this works as advertised, which I think because it's Google and because, you know, and how well and good the Gemini models are. And by the way, Gemini three is very close. There's a, there's a lot of people talking about it. I think this could work, and I think this might be, again, a real thing that will show people how

Kevin Pereira: stuff is gonna happen.

I just wanna add, [00:07:00] uh, one more example of the magic cue, which I thought was great, that when a phone call was detected with an airline, it surfaced a card that had your flight information, your confirmation number, all that stuff right there. Like again, tiny little something that should be solvable, but if it works.

That's amazing.

Gavin Purcell: I thought you were gonna say, when a call is, uh, suspected by an airline, it surfaced a rage agent that you could push a button on and it would start yelling at the airline for pushing your flight back because that's gonna come too. I think at some point we're gonna see that. Yeah. I'm super, super curious about this idea, and I think this will happen in a couple years when everybody has their own kind of AI agent to go do stuff like that and you can send it out because.

What's gonna be weird is that people will like it, it'll just get solved at a different level and it'll come back. It's almost like you're, you've gone to like court, your AI agent will have gone to court and come back and they'll be like, the summary of court was this. And listen, I don't necessarily trust that.

Like the corporate, the corporate agents are gonna be less. Are gonna be smarter than my agent, but maybe it'll just be happier. 'cause you'll be like, I got 50 bucks back for that thing that I was inconvenient [00:08:00] spot.

Kevin Pereira: The, the dystopian future that your agent is gonna go fight a major corporation's agent, come back and then you might have to decide do you wanna escalate this to your legal agent?

Yes, yes. To go and crawl through their terms of service to figure out if your rights that's coming violated. And that's coming. That's all coming, that coming. And I can't wait for my AI agent and AI manager to take their ai, 15% of my crypto fees. For some convention that I'm signing headshot for in 10 years.

For one person, Gavin, well, you could have your AI

Gavin Purcell: headshot, signer do the signing, and then you could just sit home in your glasses and be like, I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As I was rendering that in

Kevin Pereira: real time, I was like, oh, this is sad. This is getting sadder, this sound. And I was like, and I was like.

Don't kid yourself. No one's showing up to get a headshot sign from you in 10 years. No one's signing today. They'll,

Gavin Purcell: they will. They will. They will. Our secret project might make them. You never know. Kevin, all before we move on. Oh,

Kevin Pereira: Gavin, hold on. I think you should

Robot Watch: raise less. Okay. No ones fair enough.

Biggest, biggest feature though. Yes. Biggest feature.

Kevin Pereira: Kim Fallon, your good friend. Yes. Was on stage demoing the live [00:09:00] translate feature, which is something that. I mean, we've seen random AI demos do, but we haven't seen it productized quite like this,

Google Speaker: Karen. Alright, so we'll turn on the translation feature ahead. To call Assist voice Translate, choose the language, and

Google AI: call is translated by Google AI in each speaker's voice. Audio is not saved.

Jimmy Fallon: Hi Karen. Can you hear me? Does this work?

Gavin Purcell: It's pretty cool. I have to say, like, this is, I was just in a Waymo last night with uh, uh, our co-founder of our secret project, and what we were saying is, when you're in a Waymo, you really do feel like. All the promises of the future are actually in, you're sitting in one. This will also feel like that, right?

Yes. To me, like this idea that like if there is a button where I can call Tokyo [00:10:00] Japan and wanna make a hotel reservation with somebody that is just a Japanese speaker and be able to do that, that is magic and that is almost here, which is very cool.

Kevin Pereira: There was so much happening in that little 32nd demo that was very magical.

The, the fact that it is. Cloning Jimmy's voice or the other participant voice. Yeah. You heard his voice,

Gavin Purcell: you could hear his tone of voice.

Kevin Pereira: That was pretty impressive. His tone of voice, his performance with what, like two seconds of audio, basically that first little, yeah. Uh, is this on, is this working? Like so it did that, the, the speed of the translation coming out on the other end Yes.

Was great. It doesn't say that it's happening on device, but it does say that none of the calls are being recorded, which is, I mean, that's. Great. That's the, that's what you can hope for. Now I like, this is a feature, Gavin, this is, you mentioned like the booking a Japanese hotel example. This is like, my wife and I are exploring Portugal as a place to probably like set up shop.

And one of the major issues is that calling, uh, anything for anything governmental, right? Any local utilities or anything like that. It's still very much by phone and it's very much in Portuguese. Yes. [00:11:00] And I know that we can navigate, we're trying to learn the language, but this would be such a helpful stop gap.

So Absolutely. This feature alone has me really, really, really wanting to. Switch to a pixel device, like straight up. I, I know that there's, well, there's been rumors that Apple is working on getting that in the AirPods and getting that more real time. Amazing. If it's on device even more secure, that would be more amazing.

But again, sure. I, this, this is just like a slow erosion, a chisel away at. All of the, you know, the apparent leads that an open AI had with their AI productization and, and at whatever Apple is claiming to be doing behind the scenes. Yes. Like this, this is impressive stuff.

Gavin Purcell: But Kevin, how's your potassium levels?

I'm, I'm sorry, I, I need you to tell me your potassium levels because. Do you know what's very good for potassium? Kevin is bananas. And do you know what? What's bananas is nano banana, which is a mysterious new image model from Google that is [00:12:00] not out yet, but we think might be powering some of this tech in this Made for Google event.

Nano banana is by far from what we have seen. I, I've only played around with this as I can in these, uh, in these arenas because we'll get into that in a second, is the best image, uh, AI photo model for editing. And I think that's an impressive thing because I have done a lot of this work. When I say this, what I mean is like, so you go to an image model like Image Jenner and chat g pt, and you say like, yeah, for my thumbnail, for our thumbnails, I'll do this.

Like gimme an image of a Terminator robot smiling and holding a sign that says whatever. One of the hardest things is then to like change that image into just a couple things. Like the robots turn the wrong way, or the robot has like the wrong shirt on. Or you wanna do a couple things right. This is the future of what it is.

And people have always said like, well, Photoshop's so much better at this. And it has been. But if Nano Banana proves to be some of these examples we've seen, it might really make Photoshop over. They just like the long story is Photoshop over. There's a great thread from one of our favorite, uh, AI experimenters, proper prompter, which kind of walks you through some of this stuff.

Kev, just take a look at these and kind of describe what you're

Kevin Pereira: [00:13:00] seeing maybe. Yeah, I mean, listen, the natural language translation and, and editing of photos. We've seen it before, but this is on another level. So character consistency. If you have someone staring directly at the camera and you say, gimme them slightly turned to the side, they look like the same person.

It matches the same lighting, the shadows in the background will change. If you have a cartoon and you're editing a giant banana into it, the giant banana is proportionate to the cartoon character and it inherits the color palette, the texture, the style of the cartoon that you're putting it into. So these are massive issues for advertising.

This is always the one, Gavin. Every time there's something, youre always thinking about the money.

Gavin Purcell: You're just the money man. You gotta go right to the money thing, don't you? I'm such a disappointment for all of the 10 fans that

Kevin Pereira: still follow me. Gavin, it's AI and money. That's all it is. You wanna mention you're sponsor sponsorship

Gavin Purcell: by gold, uh, gold ball powder, or whatever that thing is called.

I know that you've been working with the new sponsor, did you say gold ball powder? Yeah. Isn't that what it's called? Gold ball. Pow Gold. It's something about like gold powder for balls. Isn't that a thing? That's a real thing. You mean gold bond? [00:14:00] Medicated

Kevin Pereira: gold. Gold bond. Sorry, I just

Gavin Purcell: put the balls in my

Kevin Pereira: head.

Hey, what's up AI? For human heads? Let's talk about balls. You ever wanna just dip it in some fine powder? Okay. All right. There's no finer powder. Here's the thing, when I talk about the advertising, everybody uses this Yes. For their AI model examples, because that's sort of a, a holy grail, if you will, is.

Have a a, a, a real or imagined influencer holding up your product, wearing your shirt, displaying your goods, your wares. And every time one of those models comes out, everybody gets very excited. They say, fire your fashion designer. Fire your photographer, fire your whatever. Okay. And then you use it and it turns out Yeah.

Sort of works the person's face, right? Yeah. Or it changes the dimensions of your product. Whatever this nano banana, rumored Google model, every example that I'm seeing, which might be a little cherry picked, but I'm seeing these really quality examples of the product remaining consistent, the scene remaining consistent and the person holding or interacting with the object remaining consistent.

This is [00:15:00] a holy grail of this type of image editing.

Gavin Purcell: And again, I assume this is probably powering in part this new release spent that made by Google event, but also we can expect there to be a new, uh, image and release. We can expect a lot of stuff coming from Google because we know they're working on Gemini three and there's been a lot of teases of Gemini three, and I would not at all be surprised to see Gemini three roll out with a new image model.

Yes, this could be part of it. There's one last Google thing that I thought was a really cool thing and probably killed a bunch of small startups at the same time. They've released something within Gemini. This is literally within Gemini. You have to kinda know how to access it called Google Storybook.

And if you've ever had that idea of like, Hey, I wanna make a kid's book, I wanna make a book for my kids, that's like images of us and doing stuff together well in Google Gemini. Yeah, I think it's in all the models, but it's definitely I pro 2.5. It's definitely in that. You can basically go in there and you activate a thing.

It's like almost within Gemini, there is now an app where you say, create a storybook in the prompt bar, and then you tell the story to Gemini what story you wanna tell. [00:16:00] What's cool about this, Kevin, is I, at first I was like, oh, this is really cool. It's fun. It's like I told a toy and it pops up a story that then you can flip through and it writes the words and you know the word.

The writing's not amazing, but the images are kind of fun. It allows you to upload images. So if you look at the link here, I actually created a storybook about us making a new, um, uh, you know, an an app, uh, using AI audio. And I uploaded a picture of me and a picture of you and like, these are cartoony versions of us, but I asked it for like a Pixar like kind of quality.

Mm-hmm. And that's just a really cool thing. Like you can imagine, again, we've said this many times in the show, giving kids tools that show them kind of the ability to make magic. What I think this does is it'll opens their door to being like, whoa, I can do something. Like my wife is a writing teacher, uh, who write, you know, creative writing teacher and one of the things she often gets from these kids back.

Their kids are, who are out in the world who just don't understand how to use their imaginations. And when they start taking writing classes, it's a real opening of their brain. I think this kind of thing could really do that in a big way, and I hope it also turns a bunch of kids [00:17:00] into vibe coders or things that they might be able to do this version of themselves.

So anyway, this is a very cool little product that I think, uh, Google came out with.

Kevin Pereira: Devil's advocate, Gavin, isn't this the worst thing ever? Isn't this the worst thing for creativity? Won't this encourage children to just put their gelatinous, boba straws in their mouth and keep suckling while they got baby Einstein on in the background with the blue?

Did you read Echoes of

Gavin Purcell: a Dream? Kevin? Do you know what the story says?

Kevin Pereira: I couldn't even, I didn't even, I didn't even read it. I listened to it, Gavin, because I'm too lazy to use my eye sockets.

Gavin Purcell: My favorite line from Echoes of a Dream. By the way, this is the book we were just talking about, which you'll see in the video.

We'll put a link to in our show notes is on page three. The top line is don't say Pivot. Gavin groan from the floor. The last time you said pivot, we ended up trying to sell an artisanal toast on a unicycle. So welcome, welcome, Kevin. Snapped his fingers, but welcome to our lives.

Kevin Pereira: Haha. This is different.

It's not that far off. Not that far off. Don't say pivot.

Google Storybook: Gavin Groan from the floor. The last [00:18:00] time you said pivot. We ended up trying to sell artisanal toast on a unicycle. Kevin snapped his fingers. Aha, but this is different. We want D narrate audio books.

Gavin Purcell: Kevin just played the audio, which it does come with an audio track.

It is very uninspired, the audio, so in some ways it's just, they're just laying a very simple Google voice over it. But again, very fun tool to use. Go try it Kevin. Something else people should try is liking and subscribing to the AI for Humans podcast. That's right. Slight pushback. I tried that. It

Kevin Pereira: did nothing for me.

Gavin Purcell: Well you, that's 'cause you make the damn podcast for you. Oh, it means nothing. Because you're already here every week. The people who are there maybe watching this for the first time, please like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. If you're listening to us on audio, please leave us a five star review.

Um, please visit us in our discord, which we are not going to link to in our show notes this time, because I do believe, no, we

Kevin Pereira: demolished our view count. Last week was not a fun discovery.

Gavin Purcell: I think we actually, yeah, we screwed up our view count on YouTube because we put our link too high up, but at the end of the show we are gonna show off a new thing.

So if you come to our Discord, that's where we're kind of sharing some of our special [00:19:00] things. But again, thank you everybody. Also, we have a tip, Patreon tip jar that if you're interested in like kind of supporting the show and helping us pay for these tools, that's a really great thing to have. Great.

What was that, Kevin? Oh, we will get to say less in just a bit. I will say less and we'll get there. Stick. Stick around for the end of the show. Alright, Kevin, we do have to get into some opening eye news because there was some news this week. First and foremost, Sam Alman is out there already talking about GPT six, which made me kind of laugh because.

One of the things that, you know, universally, there's been this kind of mixed reaction to GPT five and I think my take on this, a lot of people are underestimating how much of this was about optimizing GPT for the masses? In some ways, and we know there are stronger models they have behind the scenes, um, but he said GPT six, which are words that came out of his mouth.

He's thinking a lot about memory, which we have talked about a lot on this show. That if there is an AI model that can solve memory and it can really understand you, your situations, all that stuff, it will be a massive unlock because that is how you get to the AI agent for you. So I think that's a big [00:20:00] deal.

I think that that feels like something, but maybe a bigger deal is this math story. Kevin, you wanna dive into this? Well,

Kevin Pereira: yeah, and real quick though, before we talk about GPT five and act, actually it being good in some respect. Yeah. Sam Altman basically admitted at a dinner in front of journalists that.

They botched the rollout of GPT five. They made mistakes. Quote, I think we've learned a lesson about what it means to upgrade a product for hundreds of millions of people. Yeah, in one day he called the reversal a wake up call because you know, as we mentioned last week, they had to roll back some of the stuff and give you access to older models.

Listen, GPT five is. By many, many metrics. One of the most capable models that you have access to for sure. But it, it does seem to be like, it was also a cost cutting, uh, a little bit exercise for open AI to get cheaper inference so they could save money serving this thing. So with that out of the way, um, it seems like one of the new capabilities of five is that it actually can do math.

Math that hasn't really been out there. Now that's also being contested. So the, the headline was GPT five does [00:21:00] new math,

Gavin Purcell: which sounds like no, let's be clear too. It's Defying Gravity. It's PT five Pro G, PT five Pro, which is not the model that everybody has access to. That is a $200 model. This actually all came from a guy named Sebastian Beck, who is, I think, yeah, he's the, uh, AI.

Uh, works at ai at at OpenAI. He had a tweet that he put out and he says, claim GPT five PRO can prove new interesting mathematics proof. I took a convex optimizer paper, by the way, insert wonky walrus. We're gonna be getting some wonky walrus stuff in here, so just be ready M ball ball. Here it comes. Okay.

Took a convex opt optimization paper with a clean, open problem and asked GPT five PRO to work on it. It proved a better bound than what is in the paper, and I checked the proof and it's correct. So this is somebody at Open ai. Who's using GPT five PRO to attempt to do a math, a complex math problem, like very high level math problem.

And what he's claiming here is that it actually, um, was better than what was in the original paper. So then this blew up all over the internet. 'cause I think in some ways people were looking for like a news story like this. There is some really interesting context in this from [00:22:00] Earnest ou eu, ou, I think, um, who is a, he's a professor of math at UCLA, so this is a guy who spends his life thinking about math and basically this is a very interesting thread, especially if you know mathematics.

I will not go into the formulas that are shared. But he's saying that like a PhD, a PhD student could probably get to this in about two hours. Um, but the fact that opening AI's, uh, model did it very fast was exciting, but it is not necessarily new math. So we are not at that level yet. But still the capabilities are pretty impressive.

But it is important to make sure we all have context for things like this when they come out, because I think in the world of this. Like, you know, all the opening AI people retweeted some form of this and, and again, there's gonna be two sides to every story, but like, you have to remember there is a, a side where it may not be what it's being purported to be.

And I just fired all of my mathematicians 'cause that one tweet told me to. And now,

Kevin Pereira: boy, do I look

Gavin Purcell: silly. You're not gonna have your, uh, yeah. What, what would you use, I guess the question is what would you use real math for? And I know the answer to that is probably like hedge funds would use [00:23:00] real math in a significant way, or all these plays.

Sure. Obviously scientists are gonna use real math to make breakthroughs in different, in different formats. But again, this is just another sign that like these models, especially the higher level models, are incredibly capable. Um, and I think we will get to meet that. Actually,

Kevin Pereira: no, I think we're in a giant bubble and it's about to go pop Gavin.

And you know what, Sam Al Sam Alman believes that we're in a giant bubble as well. Yeah, this was weird.

Gavin Purcell: This was super weird to me. Like so I mean the Post has a story and this was, I think also out of that uh, series of interviews where Sam says that AI is in a bubble. He did say in this that there will be a couple companies or maybe one company that is a trillion dollar winner, that there's gonna be big companies coming out of it.

But this is an interesting kind of collection of stories that also might be misinterpreting how the heads of AI people are kind of thinking about ai. 'cause the other big story here, Kev, was that. Meta is like cutting back on AI and like it was this huge thing. And then all these financial, uh, posts talked about how, you know, their stock tank.

'cause the stock market's pretty wonky right now, back and forth. And they were like, [00:24:00] they've, they've stopped hiring people. They're not hiring anymore people for ai. And I think the important context here is, first of all. Mark Zuckerberg just dropped like, you know, 500 million, a billion dollars on new talent to run this super intelligence lab.

But what I think is happening here, if you dig a little deeper, is there, there are over a thousand people that were working at Meta on ai and you have to think, remember AI is a very broad category. There's many different places. And I think this is a pivot from what their strategy was before. Um, Jan Koon, who was their head of AI before, who was very kind of anti LLM for a long time, has been semi looking like demoted underneath another head of AI at the company.

Um, they are focusing on this super intelligence lab, which I think is a smaller group of people, which will actually probably move them further on ai. Mm-hmm. But they're just gonna have less people, if that makes sense. So it's actually. It's really around how you interpret the idea of cutting back.

They're cutting back heads, but it might just be 'cause they don't need as many. I think that's the important context here. Sounds like you're just huffing the opium

Kevin Pereira: [00:25:00] Gavin and speaking the company line. Why don't you reveal the meta patch on your sponsored vest? Um, wait a second.

Gavin Purcell: Well wait, I'm gonna, I'm gonna unbutton will.

You are gonna drop a meta ready. You're gonna drop a meta tattoo here, and if you're on the audio, you can't, you're gonna see my chest brief mount on my chest. Ready if you're.

Kevin Pereira: Welcome. Welcome to AI Fors, everybody. Well, Gavin AI is not all fun and games, what can I say? Unless your runway game, in which case, it is absolutely fun and Games Runway had this in beta for a minute, but now it seems to be open to all runway users. This is their Game Worlds product. If you've ever played AI dungeon.

You know exactly what I'm about to talk about. If you haven't, don't worry, we'll try to top level it for you. But, uh, game Worlds is a text-based sort of adventure game system. Yes. That uses runway to generate imagery and, and text almost like a graphic novel that reacts. [00:26:00] Nearish real time to the inputs that you give it.

Um, and if you go to the site, you can see they've got a bunch of modules that are already made. Um, classic fantasy stuff, some role-playing things. There was an Escape the office scenario that I tried. Ooh. And you know, when you go into it, it basically says, what's the name of your character? So of course, I gave my character a totally appropriate to say on a podcast name.

Uh, and then it's like, go ahead and upload an image, pick an avatar. So I uploaded a photo. Of course you Gavin. Oh, nice. But then it just sort of generated like a generic avatar. It doesn't look like it actually took the photo of you. That's interesting. You to be the avatar. Yeah, and I was, I wasn't. Quite sure why, and maybe I clicked the wrong thing, but it only seemed like there were two things to click.

So anyway, once you're in the adventure, just like an old text adventure game, Gavin, it will tell you where you're at, what's going on, and it will auto generate a couple options for you to click on. Like you're late for the meeting and HR is mad at you. What do you wanna do? Do you want to go check your email?

Do you wanna escape the cubicles? Do you wanna go into the

Gavin Purcell: walk-in refrigerator and squeeze [00:27:00] myself into the middle shelf? And pretend that I am a yesterday's meatloaf. That's my plan. So can I do that? I

Kevin Pereira: you could do that. I chose to microwave, uh, several pounds of salmon in the break room for 20 minutes.

Oh. So everybody has to run outta the office and then I'm free. So it thought about it, thought about it, thought about it. Then it updates your character profile. 'cause it keeps track of like your charisma or your whatever. And obviously things dropped a little bit, but it generated some good photos of this trollish character jamming giant pounds of salmon.

That's awesome. Into the microwave and green stink waves coming out and. A lot of the image generation failed. Sometimes it get, it got wonky. I had to like re-roll and do a thing, but, but by and large, as a first step, it was a fun sort of procedurally generated something. And you and I are big fans of AI generated gameplay, which we could maybe get to later, but for now I should probably.

Robot Watch: Thank you.

Gavin Purcell: Thank you. Thank you, ai. Yes. That is very cool. [00:28:00] Go check out runway. It's in beta now. Yes. It's worth going to check out. Another thing that just came out that's very cool is 11 labs just dropped their V three API. So if you are building on audio. You can go play around with it and try some stuff.

This is the, uh, situation where there are multiple characters you can play with. From what I hear, like it's mostly not as much for real time. Right now they're, they're designing it specifically to be used in like kind of, you put it, you get a piece of file out and then you can do something with it, but.

Still a very cool thing to go check out. Kept playing a little teaser reel they put out. 'cause you get a good sense of what this sounds like. Hey,

Eleven Labs: have you heard the big news?

Brenda: Hey wait, why are we whispering?

Eleven Labs: I'm just trying to add some drama. Okay. Because the V three API is now available.

Brenda: Imagine all the possibilities.

Eleven Labs: Exactly. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to start building the 11 v free API and documentation is live now. Oh, we love V

Kevin Pereira: Free. We love the V free we

Gavin Purcell: above E three.

Kevin Pereira: Actually [00:29:00] Beautiful day as a voice model. It took them a little while to get the API out. I think, you know, people are surprised that there's still some mis generations that happen with it, like background music and sound effect hallucinations.

But by and large, we've been experimenting a lot with their voices. Yes, and I can't wait. For a more real time model to happen, and even just generating with pure text the voices using the V three model and then going down to a different model, they're still super performative. I'm shocked at the effects that you can get yes on them as well.

Hashtag not an ad. Really, really wish this one were though 11 labs. I would open up and have the 11 L in my chest hair happily for y'all. Maybe the

Gavin Purcell: 11 labs will be our million dollar, uh, donation at some point. Oh, super donor. Yeah. Yeah. Super donor. All right, let's keep going. Uh, deep seek 3.1. Uh, thinking has been released.

Kevin, this is the new version of Deep Seek. So we are still waiting for R two, which is their full next, uh, reasoning model, but this is. 3.1 plus thinking. And what's cool about this is not like state-of-the-art [00:30:00] benchmarks, but it's dirt cheap and the benchmarks are way better than their V three version, the last version.

So yeah, this is one of those things where, like, we've talked about this before. AI gets cheaper and cheaper. Deep seeq was the, was the first kind of pathway to like, oh, maybe. Other places can do this Well, deep seeks. Keep going. It keeps going. And there might be another big move from them soon with our tube.

Yeah, but is it gonna help me

Kevin Pereira: hook up Gavin? Is it gonna get me all horned up and saucy and let me make more babies for this Elon Gray?

Gavin Purcell: Kevin is, uh, referring to Elon. So XAI has been busy. Uh, Elon specifically has also said that he believes that Grok five, which may be coming soon, uh, might get to a GI, but we have heard Elon Promise things many times in the past, but he's referring to a specific tweet from Elon this week where Elon said, AI is awfully going to one shot.

The human limbic system, if you're not familiar, the limbic system is kind of like the animal lizard brain part of us that kind of reacts to stuff. That said, I predict counterintuitively. [00:31:00] That it will increase the birth rate. Mark my words. Also, we're gonna program it that way, which is the scariest thing I've ever seen or heard.

Um, it feels like to me, Elon has often gone off on this. And I know there's a lot of people in the tech world who talk about wanting to, you know, like, we need to repopulate, we need to repopulate. And if you're not familiar with like the population bomb theory, that's a big deal on either side. Originally people thought we'd have too many people in the world, and now people are very worried.

We're not gonna have enough people in the world. Mostly about capitalism. So it's a very, you know, was he's

Kevin Pereira: genuinely concerned about that outside of money, but, okay.

Gavin Purcell: No, but I think that we, I mean they are because it will, this is a very deep, long conversation, but they are, because in a lot of ways people believe that like in some format, humans, the more humans they are, the better humans, uh, quality of life is, and that if we have less people, there'll be less money, which means the quality of life goes down.

So it is all tied together. Wait until we get to the laundry

Kevin Pereira: folding robot at the end of the show, but, okay. Gavin, that was last week,

Gavin Purcell: Kevin. That was last week. We have better robots now anyway. Long story short, uh, the idea of somebody like putting their thumb on the scale again [00:32:00] to, to take their AI and like have a, you know, for somebody who really clearly always talks about, you know, non-bias, that's putting your thumb on the scale for having to make babies is definitely, feels like a little bit of a bias.

Not to say like that's not a good idea to have more children in the world and to get more people, but like. Again, he just keeps saying the things that he will do.

Kevin Pereira: That's the part where it's like, like people have accused us of being like anti GR or whatever else, and it's like, not like Rock is great. I want gifts and I want more great models.

I just don't, if you're going to say we're gonna be the most unbiased, unfiltered, straight to the heart. A straight shoot in ai. Okay, great. But then you can't say you're going to manipulate, manipulate your AI in a specific way to get a desired result. Like just stop saying the first thing. That's great that you're being honest about what you're doing.

In some tweets. Keep it that way.

Gavin Purcell: But Kevin, have you seen Annie's new outfit? This is X AI's, uh, a fu, a character. So the last thing about Elon is, yes, you remember Ani and there are other characters where there [00:33:00] are very like, kind of like fu sort of vibes. Uh, there's a new outfit, you have three to four new outfits you could put on the girl character.

And uh, you know, I'm just gonna say you can find it yourself. If you're watching the YouTube, you see it right now. How would you describe the outfits though, Gavin? For people that are on the audio only, I would say modern. Modern is the word I would use. Modern. Modern. Okay.

Kevin Pereira: That was a good Dodge actually.

I'm not getting mad at it

Gavin Purcell: all. Okay. Alright. Two other quick, very quick things. Anthropic is letting, uh, Claude quit abusive conversations, which is a really interesting thing from a kind of a AI level. This is something before where. You know, people were worried that if they're, and by abusive they mean things that could be abusive to humanity or abusive to the AI itself.

Before it was always this thing where ais would try to answer and make you feel good and try to kind of get, come across with something. Philanthropic has said no. What we're gonna change is like, we are just gonna say we are not gonna answer something, or that's not, you know, we're gonna quit this conversation.

Which a lot of AI safety people are applauding because it means that there is more controls over AI safety. A lot of people on the other side are saying this is making [00:34:00] chatbots that aren't gonna do what they're supposed to be able to do. It is one of those things to just keep track of, because I think this will be a conversation that goes on as these AI chatbots get more and more powerful over time.

Kevin Pereira: It's freed up more of my time than Hank Green's Beans app is just having Claude shut me down in nine outta 10 browser tab. So I appreciate, thank you, anthropic. I got my time back.

Gavin Purcell: Shout out to Hank Green, by the way. I will say one of the coolest things, speaking of XAI, there was this whole story about how Elon was so mad because he couldn't get the number one app in the app store and Hank Green and a single indie developer not using ai, but they made a really cool A DHD app and it took over the number one spot from chat GPT.

So like. Another just point of view in that space. My niece has been knitting socks while reading books, Gavin, so I am very aware of, oh, that's so nice. Loves it. She's so cool. She actually really loves the app. We love nieces and we love knitting. So that's all we do here thinking about AI for Human show.

But first, Kevin, there is a very small, cool new app that I wanna shout out and again. This probably came to my feed in some form. I saw it as a TikTok and, and there's this whole thing about TikTok where the, the [00:35:00] company might have hired somebody to make the TikTok. I have no idea. But when I went and downloaded the app, it's actually very cool.

It's called Gizmo and it is a vibe coded platform. So what this is, is Kevin, I even talked about an idea like this. It's kind of, you can imagine like Wario, where meets TikTok. So you swipe up on these little experiences and each one is made by someone and they're all like little AI toys. They're not necessarily games, but it is a.

It is an a series of AI toys, some of which are more interesting than others, but it really started to make me think about this idea of like, distribution of games and, and you know, a, a guy that we know in Neil Young, not the singer, a a video game developer, has this kind of thought he said of like, these sub stack application of games, right?

This idea that games would become a feed in some form at the, at the kind of low end. This feels like the beginning stages of it to me, like watching this and playing this. And I think it's worth downloading. I think it's worth taking a look at. Uh, again, I don't know these people, but I, I've been playing with it a little bit and I will say I've only played the games.

I haven't seen what their creation tool is like, and I don't know how many people are creating stuff. 'cause I think that's one thing that's tricky with a platform [00:36:00] like this is like, can you get enough stuff to make it interesting? But. When I was swiping through, it was like there was about 50 at least that I, I got through and I didn't get any

Kevin Pereira: repeats

Gavin Purcell: at all.

Kevin Pereira: Can you help people that maybe are audio only? Can you help them understand what like the experiences might

Gavin Purcell: be like? Yeah, it just ffy. I, this is not, we don't know these people. They have not paid us anything to do this. I just found this, uh, through, through a TikTok. I thought it was interesting. So basically comes up, I if you, if you on YouTube can see this, it comes up as like this kind of like thing and it basically you swipe up and each one's different.

And so this one, I don't know what it is. Let's see what it says. It's, oh, it's literally just a, you tap it and a volcano explodes. So it's just a very simple thing. But then each one of them is like a different experience where this one has audio. If you tap, if you tap it, I don't know what happens on this one, like some of them.

Oh, I see. It's a 3D like, uh, experience. So again, none of them are like, you know, the most incredible, like a lot of like, there's a couple mini drum machines people have programmed, some like strumming stuff, a lot of music stuff. Just a very interesting way to make vibe coated games into [00:37:00] something people could consume, because no one's really gonna spend like hours

Kevin Pereira: with a quick vibe coated game.

You know, we spent a lot of time talking about like, what does new grounds look like? Yeah. In a world That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Like these, these, these flash, but they're vibe coated games. So yeah, again, we don't know who they are if they're mining crypto with your cell phone processor in the background.

That's

Gavin Purcell: not on us. Not that they're not, that there's somebody from that. I don't think they're, I, I followed the founders. They're one of them ex Google, like they're people that have doing startup. Great, great. So, so they're, they're definitely our crypto people. But go check it out. I, again, no, this one of those weird small startups that like, well ours will be, so we will ask also, gizmo, this is the deal.

We're making a deal. We promote you, you promote us when we come out. That's the only way this works if we're getting ahead of it all. But Kevin. It is time for a robot watch.

Alright, Kev, some really interesting robot stuff this week. I first. What just happened? [00:38:00] What was that Lint watch? I had something. Alright. First brand new humanoid, one of those like kind of coming outta the blue. This one's name is Alex, A-L-L-E-X. And what's interesting about this, Kevin, is it's a slightly different, uh, style.

It looks like it's just a waist up robot, but. A lot of, uh, flexibility, a lot of movement. The interesting thing here is that I found this, and maybe this is saying more about me than it saved by Alex, is like, it's kind of buff. It's kind of, it's kind of jacked. It's a, it's a stronger looking robot. And if you watch this video, there's a moment in it where it almost looks like it's like.

It's doing a full trap flex. So like maybe this is the future. Maybe we're gonna get like robot bodybuilding competitions. Did you see Oh and the fingers. The hands. You see finger Dexter, the are amazing finger tricks. Yes.

Kevin Pereira: Yes. That it has. Like I, the next time I'm at EDCI want one of these with little glow Yes.

Fingertip gloves. Blowing me up as my eyes are pinging back into my forehead. That's a specific reference point is it does seem to be a pretty buff robit. Yeah. That you could imagine on an assembly line lifting some heavy things. That's exactly, exactly right. Some things. [00:39:00] That's exactly right. Uh, even has some flexibility in it.

Like it can lift over 30 kilograms, which I don't know what that is in freedom. Tons. But that's very cool. That's

Gavin Purcell: at least 20 pounds I think in some form. No, actually I think it's like 50 plus pounds. Right? Isn't a kilogram 2.1. 2.2. There's a reason I need try. That's the kilometer. There's a reason I didn't even try.

Sorry, everybody. The math, we are not math experts and we do not remember it. We are filling our brains with terrible things. I my, yeah. Stay less. Stay less. All right, next one. Uh, very quickly, unit tree is teasing its next humanoid robot with only a photo. But again, this one looks like we are. Agile.

Kevin Pereira: Elegant.

Gavin Purcell: Yes. Unit tree. The, the interesting here thing here is unit tree is the leader across the board really in, in robotics from China. So I'm very excited to see what this is. It's very cool. Um, Kevin, do you wanna tell me what this Boston Dynamics thing is before we get to some of the amazing videos from World World Robotics?

Yeah. Boston Dynamics, like the

Kevin Pereira: OG of Creepy Robots, you know, they still have quite a humanoid division, but I haven't seen a lot come out recently. And this is either a video of [00:40:00] it doing, um. Fully autonomous, uh, one x speed. So not, not sped up sorting. Ooh. And you watch the robot kind of get into a half squat.

You watch it start taking parts from a bin and moving them into another bin. And then of course someone with a hockey stick, because that's what we gotta use to terrorize these robots. He's in there closing the bin, knocking things around. But the. Continues on task, adjusting in real time to the environment, grabbing things and sorting them.

I thought it was kind of an interesting video.

Gavin Purcell: I, I, I think we might have a few people who listen to and watch our show from these companies, especially biodynamics. It's American. I can one of you say to me, I, I'll pick a day. I'll find a way to get there. I would like to be the hockey stick robot for your, one of your tests.

I'd like to be the guy that pushes the robot over. Honestly. It could be any robotics company. If it could be. Sure. One X. It could be all the American ones. You not. You'll pun it. I'll, I wanna be the person trying this once and then I will make sure that I go up to it afterwards and tell it. I'm sorry.

Have a very quiet conversation where I make sure it knows I was doing [00:41:00] this as a test and not as anything else. All right, Kevin. The World Robotics Championships for last week, which we talked about. I just wanted to talk about some of my favorite moments from it very quickly. We're not gonna spend a ton of time on this, okay?

So this a hundred meter dash was won by the Tai Gong Ultra, developed by Beijing Humanoid Robotics Innovation Center that won the gold. So, um, pretty fun. But Kevin, the other two videos, ones I really wanna talk about because we are really looking at a future here. Where robots, uh, perform in a way for us.

So take a look at the standing jump video here. This is the winner of the standing jump. Um, I did not expect this to be the kind of jump that we would be seeing. I was kind of expecting it to go like squat and then jump up. But instead it's a Mario jump.

Robot Watch: It's exactly what it is for

Kevin Pereira: the question mark block.

Like it just, it's one coin. Sound away. This is great. I like that. The top comment is, I don't know if we should be celebrating this.

Gavin Purcell: That's a good point. It's a good point. And then more importantly, Kevin. The robots are finally able to artistically demonstrate something interesting. So there is a [00:42:00] winner of the solo dance competition, which if you just kinda let this run and you kind of see what's going on here, this is like the floor gymnastics routines for the Olympics.

You can tell that we are entering a very special place in the world of robotics that we are going to see. Expression, free expression from robots as we go. Wanna describe what we're seeing there? Just for the people that are listening, I mean, it's

Kevin Pereira: a robot that's, uh, wearing a shirt that makes him look like a Roblox character.

Uh, he's got the weird bicycle seat head going on, and he's essentially doing like a kata. I don't, I wouldn't necessarily call this dance. It looks like, oh, now he's getting more dancey with it. He is popping. He is locking, he is kind of raising a roof. He is shimmying. He's dancing like a dad at a wedding reception is what's happening here.

That's exactly right here. That's a good word. This is someone who's like three volcano nachos into the evening at a, at a Tommy Bahamas or maybe a, uh, it's more of a Margaritaville dance. Actually, I'm, it's giving

Gavin Purcell: Margaritaville. That's really funny. That would be a [00:43:00] great use case of robots is, uh, get them to do the Margaritaville dance altogether at once.

Like, there must be like a Margaritaville line dance. Somebody in our audience is a Margaritaville, uh, regular. Please let us know, like, is there a dance. A sig, are you a, are you a Marto regular? No, the Palm Springs destination. I pickleball courts. That's about as close as I got

Kevin Pereira: Gaff Point is. Wow. That's smart of them.

Very smart of them. He's, he's, it's dancing. It's doing a thing. It's, it's shimmying, it's shaking. I wish. Midway through whatever these routines are. A squad of folks came out with hockey sticks and just beat them about the thighs and calves. Because could That could be us. That could be us could, exactly.

That could be us. We could be, we could recover

Gavin Purcell: mid sticking. Then you got me. I, I will also shout out to one of our YouTube commenters who has said that the world's robotic championships is actually a giant psyop by the Chinese government. So. Maybe you never know. Sure. Like we are covering it again, I find this very charming.

I find the idea of humanoid robots that are getting better all the time. Very interesting. But if it is a psyop, we are guilty. Alright everybody,

Kevin Pereira: [00:44:00] why don't we fight? Like why don't we as a country fight this? I don't mean like actually fight by Chinese. We don't wanna get into a fight with China. No. I mean with the robotics competition angle, we should be having our own competition.

Should we? A hundred percent should be. We should be. If we faked a moon landing to beat Russia, why aren't we out there doing some CG robots and making 'em look like they can dance in squads?

Gavin Purcell: This is actually a really serious thing to think about very quickly, and not to bring us to a serious moment, but.

One of the things that's happening right now is there's a transition away from kind of technical technological innovation governmentally from us, and China is like leaning in in a big way. So like one of the things that this robotics competition points out, and I, I don't wanna just be very clear, like American Robot Robotics is behind China.

Like they're behind China as a whole. There might be a few robots that are like. As good or better than Chinese robots, but there are way more companies in China than there are in America that are focusing on this. And this very much is probably the next iteration of where AI is gonna get into the world.

So yes, let's find a way to get more AI competitions in. Okay, fine. It's time for ai. It's time for a [00:45:00] IC. What you did there, everybody. Sometimes

Eleven Labs: ya rolling without a care.

Google AI: Then suddenly you stop and shout ai. What?

Robot Watch: Ai.

Gavin Purcell: Alright, Kevin. There's a new cool app that was shared by a guy named Josh, tried coding, and he says, easily the coolest app I've seen this month.

You create a digital signature based on your name. It's a hundred percent open source. So what this is, is like you basically have a digital keyboard in front of you and you kind of create what your signature is and it gives you back like a, almost like a glyph of that shape. Just a fun small thing.

There's a link. We'll put a link in the show notes to where it is. The demo and code is there. It, oh, and the guy who made its name is not. Uh, CN Rad, not Cn Rad. So he is a developer. Just a very cool thing to see what you can do with this sort of stuff.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, still, I, I fully expected I could click and then rotate it or do something like 3D with it, like a point cloud or whatever.

So I've got notes. [00:46:00] Uh, I'm not mad at it. Casey and Rad. Yes. But it is cool. That is cool. It's not as sick as shredding on a frigging Volvo, bro. It's not. Can it's not? Yes. Can we talk about car boarding?

Gavin Purcell: So this is from Dari 3D, who's responsible for Max Joe Steele, some of our other favorite AI videos. So basically what we're seeing here, if you're just listening.

Is, it's a skateboard park. In fact, it's kind of a, a like a nineties style skateboard park, but it's people riding cars as if they were skateboards. So you can imagine what this looks like. It is actually a really cool use case of ai. It's so good. Whenever I see I a video like this, I'm like, well, this is what it's made for.

It's like surreal and weird and really interesting. So. Go check it out. We'll drop the Reddit link into the show notes, but it is a very fun thing to use. Three, four

Kevin Pereira: watching, watching folks with that VHS filter, like slam a half pipe while riding on top of a Honda is just, it's a joy. It's a joy. So love the video.

Gavin Purcell: Great. Okay, Kevin, it is time, uh, if you were listening to our show last week, if you hold on one second, I know we're gonna get I anticipated. Yes. Uh, [00:47:00] we are working on a new startup, um, today. The name of it will be out, it's gonna be called and then. Uh, and if you, uh, are interested in some interesting stuff we're doing with it, you can come to our discord.

We are not going live, live with it yet because we wanna make sure we kinda work some bugs out and all that stuff. But we are going to, right now, demo one of our experiences, the basic idea behind our startup is we are making. AI audio experiences with AI characters that kind of have a gamification layer, so there's something to do in them.

And today, Kevin, do you wanna introduce our first kind of game show module that we're working on, Kevin,

Kevin Pereira: is that the pitch you're planning on giving in elevators to potential investors? Is that, what's that on here? That's, that's

Gavin Purcell: the casual pitch to our friends who are listening or watching right now.

Kevin. Oh, that was Kevin, the chill pitch. We're just keeping a, that was the chill, chill that pitch. Yes, that's the chill pitch. That's just my chill pitch.

Kevin Pereira: Um, yeah, I'm, I was, uh, trying to furiously log into the game to play the, uh, dev build of Say Less, which is the wild new game show that's sweeping the nation.

And Gavin, I could [00:48:00] take some time, explain to everybody how the game show works or. We could just try to give it a go right now. Say Now, baby bear. Say less, say

Gavin (Spanish): less, say less. Welcome, welcome, welcome to say Less the Lightning Fast word guessing game that'll have you on the edge of your seat. I'm your host Slick Burger, and I'm pumped to get this party started.

Now tell me what's your name and gimme either your occupation or a fun fact about yourself. Let's go.

Kevin Pereira: I'm Kevin Pereira, and I love feet.

Gavin (Spanish): Ladies and gentlemen, give a big round of applause for Kevin Pereira. Loving Feet, huh? Well, let's hope your guessing skills are just as sharp as your shoe game, and joining you in this fabulous adventure is the charming Brenda Dupree, our Southern Belle Strait from Wichita Falls, Texas.

Let's get those guesses rolling. Kevin.

Kevin Pereira: Hi

Brenda: Brenda. Well, howdy there. Kevin Pereira. Hi. I'm so excited to play with you and have a grand old time.

Kevin Pereira: You must not know my history, Brenda.

Gavin (Spanish): Alright, here we go. Kevin, you're the describer and you'll get a word or [00:49:00] phrase to describe. Okay. Remember, no part of the word can be spoken directly.

Got it. You can say skip or pass if you want a new word. If you need to repeat, just ask. The goal is to get through as many words as possible. In 90 seconds. Lower score is better, so say less. Okay. With that out of the way, it's time to play. Your word is Adventure.

Kevin Pereira: Outdoor Excursion,

Brenda: is it hiking

Kevin Pereira: Pass?

Brenda: Is it camping?

Kevin Pereira: Pass. Your word is diamond. Wedding gemstone.

Brenda: Is it diamond? Your word is mountain.

Gavin (Spanish): Tall hill. And that's the end of round one, folks. Mm. Let's recap the action. Kevin Pereira and Brenda Dupree completed a dazzling total of one word with no violations. That's right. One word As thrilling as a tall hill on a flat road.

Kevin, you really [00:50:00] put the A in adventure.

Gavin Purcell: What this is, is our, is our first ever. Multi-agent audio game, it's called Say Less, you'll get the rules. Um, it's definitely an alpha piece of software, but it's doing stuff that is very unique and cool. And again, we are excited for y'all to give us some feedback on it.

Um, in our discord, we have some feedback, uh, feedback room where we will be sharing a link. Um, so go to the Discord. You'll see that, uh, tomorrow you'll see the link for this game. Kevin, let's talk a little bit about this thing and what makes it kind of interesting and, and why it's different than other stuff that's out there.

Kevin Pereira: First and foremost, frictionless. You can play it on any device. If you have a web browser, you're good to go. There's no app to download, there's nothing. I mean, we asked for your email address, uh, 'cause that helps us get in touch with you in the future as we release new things. But outside of that, like this is a pipeline that I haven't really seen yet, Gavin, because we are orchestrating multiple LLMs.

They each have their own personas, their own, uh, speech models, their own everything. We have a rule set for the [00:51:00] game for guessing and invalidating those guesses. We've got music and sound effects being delivered on the same pipeline. So the, there's a whole lot going on to make what is essentially like a.

A, let's say a tech support phone system. Yeah, exactly. Bot, yeah. Turn into an interactive game. So this is the first of hopefully many, but it's one that we actually think is fun. And there's a second and third round of gameplay that get a little twisty, but we don't wanna spoil it all here. That's right.

We want you to get your, your hands and your ears on it and your. I was gonna say, get your mouths on it, but you get it. It don't done, don't get your

Gavin Purcell: feet on it. Keep your feet away from it. 'cause you don't need your feet. As Kevin knows, feet don't need to be part of this. But, but most importantly, again, we're looking for feedback.

We want you who have been following us, do this for a while. Give us feedback on this thing. We just have some exciting things that we're making and like we're very excited. This, and, and you can kind of see maybe a future where there's a lot of different use cases of this. If you came last week to our Discord, you saw the other ones that we dropped.

I don't wanna spoil them in case you haven't seen them. So go there and check them out. Um, the Discord link will be in the normal place in our show notes today, so go find it. But [00:52:00] please come give us feedback. Play say less. It's a very MVP version of this right now, but we want people to try it, bang on it, see what breaks.

'cause it does break and we are always excited. Mvp, the most

Kevin Pereira: valuable product. Gavin, I don't get it. Why would this be an

Gavin Purcell: M means minimum. Minimum viable product. So this is our first take. This is as bare bones as it gets. Yes. But you can see a future for this and we're very excited. It's AI audio and we really do believe AI audio is about to kind of go big in a lot of ways based on how people use AI agents and all that stuff.

Come join. Have fun and thank you everybody as usual for watching our show. We will see you all next week. Have last thing?

Kevin Pereira: One last thing, one last thing. Don't stop because. This is a tool set, uh, with a game format that was created by a human being that was cre. The, the whole tool set was created by human beings with sound design, by human beings, with every, this is, you know, it's an experience that like, I think only AI power in the way that these, these agents are responding to you in believable ways and guessing actually the logic of them trying to piece together your [00:53:00] rounds of clues like, uh.

It would've been very difficult to hard code this in the past. So I love that AI brings the performances to life. But, um, the, the all singing, all dancing version of this product is something that you and I care deeply about, empowering human beings to be vocal performers, to be writers that craft these experiences.

Yes. To use the tools. Yes. To make experience for humans. And so I, look, I'm not making apologies for any of the originals. Sense that is ai. You and I chose our side basically. Sure. And we reserved the right to change it later, but right now we're having a blast making this for people and we hope people have a, a blast playing it and eventually.

Have a blast making other experiences for other people.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. Go to and then chat, even if you just wanna drop your email in to find out when we're actually gonna launch this, which isn't that far away, but, but that's a great place to drop your email to get updates for this as well, or come to our discord and try say less.

All right. Thanks everybody. We will see you all next week. Bye-Bye.