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Gavin Purcell: [00:00:00] Everyone is going bananas. That's right. Google's new AI image model has taken

Kevin Pereira: the mainstream by storm. This is by far the best AI image editing software we have ever used. We're gonna go hands on. We're gonna show you some insane examples.

Gavin Purcell: Kevin, something is happening to

Kevin Pereira: me now, not for the audio audience.

Gavin,

Gavin Purcell: I'm moving through the multiverse. Okay. This

Kevin Pereira: is very cool. If you're okay, I

Gavin Purcell: have the power.

Kevin Pereira: Actually, you ran out of image generation credits just then. I am the one who knocks Kevin. I am the one who knocks Great. OpenAI just announced a new real time voice model that is super expressive, much like crows that can now use tools and we will demo it later in the show in a way that will likely lose us sponsorships.

And then, ah, okay. Meta Super Intelligence Lab is losing people to OpenAI, but they did a big deal with Mid Journey. C Korea's got a new real time video model. Nvidia figured out a way to speed up LLMs by like a lot. And we got a [00:01:00] very good open source text to speech model from Microsoft, which is a lot of fun to play with.

Plus robots moving very heavy things downstairs. I'm assuming you are responsible for the banana suits. Gavin, Google has cut me off. Kevin, this is AI for bananas. Great.

Gavin Purcell: Welcome everybody to AI for Humans this week, Kevin, we are going bananas. That is right. It is AI and bananas. Finally, together the way that we always wanted, this is nano banana, Google's new AI imaging and editing tool, technically known as. That's, no, that's that. Gemini doesn't matter.

Kevin Pereira: Yes, it doesn't matter.

This is the, this is the blessing and the curse of the AI namespace that Google Flash 2.5 image is so boring and it means nothing to so many people. But that's the official thing. You have to use nano banana. That's the reason for the, gimme a bunch of those baby. Why

Gavin Purcell: can't they all be called things like this, like nano banana like I do like [00:02:00] the fact that like Sundar Phai, Demi Saabas, all the people at Google have embraced the banana thing because to me.

That feels fun. Make AI names fun again. Please, please, please, please. All right, so Kevin, let's get into this. The coolest thing about this, and I, I, it's not hyperbole. I do believe this is probably the best AI editing image model to date, and we have seen some really interesting examples. But maybe do you want to tell people, like some of the things that this can do just off the top and then we'll get into some specifics.

Kevin Pereira: Listen, this. If we're going to accelerate the downfall of humanity as we know it with ai, at least we should have fun along the way. Correct. And that extends to the name as we said, but also the use cases of the tools. This is a very powerful natural language image editing tool. So if you have scrolled across the interwebs and seen things like Photoshop is done for.

W Well, they're not, because they're probably gonna integrate nano banana. I mean, they already have in some ways, into their product, but in some ways they kind of are. Because, yeah, this is like, just speak it into [00:03:00] existence, level of quality image editing, so you can generate images out of nowhere with it.

You can create collages of images. Uh, IE. Here's a human now, make them wearing this clothing in this environment posing a top this vehicle and or animal. It will just do it. You can change the color of things, you can reimagine the camera position on things. You can have it pull information about the object in the scene from the real world and have it displayed on there.

So, uh. I mean, like, I am actually doing it a huge disservice by trying to cherry pick a few features. The internet at large is in real time discovering brand new use cases of this, and it's very capable and very powerful.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Let's jump into a couple of those. Well, first of all, um, Logan from Google, who's kind of their face of their AI studio, had a really interesting little demo he did called Past Forward, and this is what a lot of people are using it for, which is to take a version, a picture of themselves and turn it into other versions.

You wanna play that clip real quick.

Logan Google: Then what you can do is you can. Put an image of yourself and it'll [00:04:00] regenerate a version of yourself, um, in this sort of like Polaroid esque vibe, um, following all the different trends from the last. 10 or 20, uh, 30 years. Um, so if you look at this example, wow, this is from me from the 1950s and I'm sure I have a picture of my dad from the 1950s somewhere, or my grandpa who looks somewhat similar to that.

So one of the cool things about this, uh, this new model, and one of the features I think folks are gonna be most excited about is this character consistency, which is, as you took the original image. Um, and you made the translation to this 1950s image. It actually looks like me still for the audio

Kevin Pereira: only fans.

That is a, a series of six. What's that? You just said Audio only fans. There's a whole nother business. We could start probably, what does ASMR sound like between the toes for the audio only listeners there. Six Polaroids on the screen, and it is in fact taking a, a photo of, of Logan and keeping his face consistent, even the, the, the kind of body shape [00:05:00] and imagining him throughout the eras.

And that was one of the big takeaways I think from this as well, Gavin, is that so many folks were quick to write, oh, Google just put a thousand startups out of business. The other way to look at it is Google just created 10,000 startups overnight because I saw people. Literally going to there. There are Reddits where people will pay 20 bucks or 50 bucks for people that are good with Photoshop.

Yeah. To do image edits. And they're using nano banana to accomplish these bounties. I saw people spinning up GPT wrappers for this stuff. Yeah. Where it's like, imagine yourself as an eighties, whatever, and someone might be screaming, but couldn't someone just go do that themselves? Yeah, of course. Yeah. But someone could have also gone and done.

Most everything on the internet themselves if they wanted to. The point is, if you're industrious and quick with these things, there's an opportunity here because this tool is, is powerful and easy to use.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. To that point, levels io, we've talked about many times in the show before, who's kind of a specializes in making these tools outta this thing.

Actually tweet it. If you're not building a mini startup with nano bananas today Yeah. And launching [00:06:00] it tomorrow, you're missing the opportunity of a lifetime. This image model just made hundreds of new startups and apps possible. Kev, I do wanna show. Go to the examples of what I did when this first came out.

I wanted to just see exactly what I could do with a picture of myself, right? So this was a picture I took of myself for something else, but I wanted to see like, okay, how good is it at? Just like putting things in my hand, I'm holding my hand out. And if you look at these four photos, interesting thing is.

First of all, I'm the same in all of them, which is a very unusual thing for AI editing, right? When you know that AI editing is different is when you actually get the same subject and it only changes one part of the picture. But in these, if you're just listening, what you're looking at here is like one picture of me of holding like a a, a ball that's glowing, but it has like slime dripping off my hand.

And what's so cool is like the slime actually goes over the watch face of my watch, and you can still see the numbers on it. There's me holding a chicken and the chicken is shadow on my face. There's an image of a bad Princess Leia, 'cause it doesn't exactly do Princess Leia, but of like a hologram where you can see through the hologram to the back of the wall.

And then [00:07:00] finally, I had to take a picture of what it would look like as a robot was taking this photo. So I kind of guessed what was behind me. But again, all of that, the, the coolest part of this is my background, me all the same in all of these. And that is a really

Kevin Pereira: unique thing. See, to me, the coolest thing in that photo is the fact that it is reflecting portions of your hand in the mirror that you're holding.

Yeah. Yes. Like it even got that, which is yes, I mean, wild and again. The character consistency. You did not have to upload 40 photos of yourself and make a dedicated model. Yes. You upload one image and you say, now imagine it in these ways and it actually works.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. And what's really fun is you start to think about, if you look at the link below that, you start to look at like weird things you can do.

Like, um, Patty McCormick, who's a great, uh, internet writer, wrote a really interesting piece about something that he titled The Electric Slide. And it was a, it was a longer think piece about electricity and a bunch of stuff. In that post, he had a picture of two guys from the seventies and I was like, oh, you know what?

I'm gonna try to make these guys do the electric slide. I [00:08:00] literally just said, I uploaded that photo, you can see it. And then I said, make this guys do the electric slide. And like it's pretty good. It great. It's not bad at all. Great. No, it's,

Kevin Pereira: it's a really, really great photo. You know, I. Use this and my father's building a, a, like a workshop in rural Idaho and the framing is basically up and that's about it.

And I took that photo, threw it in a nano banana, or I'm sorry, Gemini flash, tiny baby, 2.5 glass, nor nor, and I said, get clean up the work site. There is, you know, there was, uh, piles of wood and plastic and, and big machinery everywhere. I was like, clean up the work site and imagine this. Fully completed.

Like, do the siding. Uh, put some shrubbery there, you know, paint it, do whatever you want. But I want a finished workshop. It generated it again. It's fast. It's really quick for high quality output. Yeah, so, oh my God, it's

Gavin Purcell: so fast, which is shocking sometimes. Gave me the photo. I

Kevin Pereira: sent it back to him and said, uh, Hey, what?

I'm like, what's going on here? Mom sent me a photo. Uh, it looked way further along. He is still confused by it. I imagine he is [00:09:00] still punching his phone angrily, trying to understand how that happened. He responded like, no, she didn't that. What is that? You know, but it, it kept the structure the same. It it, it respected where the cutouts for garage doors or windows or the actual door to enter maybe.

And it was just like really easy. You imagine. You, you wanna do a a home project? Yeah. Sketch an overhead view of the thing and then say, imagine this from my perspective, which a lot of people are having fun with doing perspective shift.

Gavin Purcell: So De Haas actually pointed out this really interesting way to use it to get isometric building, uh, shots.

Like basically to create an isometric image of a building from real life. And this was somebody else he had retweeted, but then. One of the fun things that Des did, and we've talked about Des before, he was the theme park, uh, designer, like he worked on the theme park video game and he took an actual landmark and made it into, uh, a theme park, uh, isometric, uh, isometric asset, which is such a cool use case.

So actually, I followed this exact thing and my hometown has a very famous landmark, the Space [00:10:00] Needle. So I took a image of a Google map and I said like, make an isometric image of this, uh, building and give it to me. Pretty good. I will say I did it four times and each time it gave me something very different.

This was the closest to theme park, the rest of them. And one thing I think about this, which is tricky, is you're still in a situation where a lot of times you're getting a variety of of results, and I do hope at some point there's probably gonna be over the course of the next five to 10 years. I don't know, a thousand people, maybe more asking for an isometric version of the Space Needle.

What would be in, in the style of theme park? What would be interesting is to see like some version of getting feedback so you know what the better version of that is. 'cause of the four, only one really looked like theme park. The other ones were all isometric. They all felt like video games, but not really theme park style.

So just a small note as we go forward here.

Kevin Pereira: Well on the gaming and, uh, nano banana front, when I saw people doing satellite imagery with red arrows on it saying, give me the perspective from this red arrow, my brain immediately went to, oh, that looks like Sim [00:11:00] City. Oh, wait. Now could you do that with other, could down 2D classic games?

And so. That's what I blew a good portion of my morning on Gavin was re-imagining things like Grand Theft Auto or Sim City Star D Valley Warcraft two Zelda. The Street

Gavin Purcell: Fighter one is my favorite one because you asked for what it looks like from the opposite side of the street fighter screen and you just see the, it's fantastic.

It's so cool.

Kevin Pereira: This one, I drew a red circle around. There's a, it's an iconic street fighter, you know, scene with, uh, Rio and Ken fighting on a dock, and there's a boat filled with passengers behind them that usually kind of cheer at two frames. I put a blue circle around the guy in the blue suit and said, what does it look like from his, his perspective?

I did have to lean on the scale a little bit. I had to thumb the scale. Gavin say, let me see the opposite perspective. Yes. Right, yeah. With the characters flipped and what's behind them, but it immediately got them the, the mission and made me think like. First of all, this thing is fast, right? Yeah. And we'll get to the fact that there's rumors that this might actually be a video model that is just [00:12:00] spitting out single frames right now.

But you can very easily imagine a world where. You feed an emulator into this and it is giving you a new perspective on the game that you're playing in real time. And I wanna see a street fighter game where it's the backs of the characters and the pros have to reverse all of their inputs and moves 'cause it would break their brains and be really funny and weird to see what,

Gavin Purcell: what if you play?

What if it was kaari de mossi, but from the perspective of the ball and you just saw yourself. Circling around and around and around and you see the little legs of a guy running. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,

Kevin Pereira: so that was like one, there's examples if you're watching, if you're getting the audio version only, sorry, this is an image heavy intro, but highly encourage you to go and watch the YouTube 'cause we have it on the screen.

I, lastly, I wanna say I, I shifted some first person perspective games to overhead perspective, like I was messing around with doom in that regard. And it did a very interesting job of. Keeping into, uh, like spatial awareness where the enemies are in the frame, but then reimagining from them above, like, this [00:13:00] is so quick to do and so easy, and it's available for everybody.

If you go to, uh, gemini.google.com Yeah, you should be able to play with it. So go experiment. Yeah, it's, which is

Gavin Purcell: the most amazing thing. It's free right away. And I will say before we move on to the next thing, um. I did take, uh, I, again, real life editing is really interesting. I know sometimes it could be mixed, but I took our photo, if you missed it.

Last week we announced the fact that our startup has taken some funding from a 16 Z speed run, uh, which is very exciting for us. But I took our photo that the three of the founders took Kevin, myself, and one other guy, Rex Soga, and I put these, uh, white fur coats on us. Yes. And you know it. It didn't get all three of us.

The first time. It got just two, but then I just downloaded that a picture and I said to the, to the system, I said, Hey, put the fur coat on the third guy too. Really, really solid example. And like it just feels like, yes, okay. There's a lot of people who are gonna be like, well, what about the puffy pope picture that was fake?

And what about all the deep fake stuff? This is a thing where you can have fun with it. I think that, you know, we are already entering in this [00:14:00] world where people are like, what's real? What's not real? I think you have to start saying out loud if you're using these things in some form, and if you don't, there's a little bit of a thing where you're gonna be seen as kind of like maybe trying to do something that's sneaky.

But it's fun. This is what makes AI fun. It's why GPTs uh, image gen popped off. It's why this is popping off. These are the moments that you can see. Okay. The mainstream will understand the advances that we're seeing.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, this is the, we are, uh, a. Excitedly celebrating this brand new tool, which opens the doors to a lot of fun possibilities.

This is not the deep dive on whether or not we are in a post-truth, post belief era of social media, because by the way, we've been in that well before, for a while, these AI tools were out. So by default it's hard. It's, it's tough. But this is, this is the new reel by default. You should imagine that. The majority of the interactions you're seeing online, the conversations, the media, you should assume that it's been manipulated in some way.

And that can be as basic as a retouching filter or as massive [00:15:00] as a, Hey, wait a minute. Shrek was never in that friend group.

Gavin Purcell: No, he never was. Why? Why? Or maybe he was. Um, before we move on, we should mention quickly, there is a big rumor out right now that. We've talked about Google's video model VO three and how good it is that there could be a possibility.

This is a world model, kind of like their Genie three model that we talked about, where instead of it just being like just a picture, it's somehow simulating this world and taking a still image from that, which is a pretty interesting idea. It's a little out there, but like. That makes sense. Right. And again, people have said like, LLMs are not gonna be the end all be all.

Well, guess what? World models are kind of a next step. And them plus LLMs really is an interesting pathway to advanced ai.

Kevin Pereira: Well, on the advanced AI front, Gavin, we just closed the browser tab on a live open AI reveal of their advanced voice mode, which is something you and I have been messing around with a lot due to our, uh, startup that was announced.

And the the, okay, here's the, too long didn't read. It's [00:16:00] better.

Gavin Purcell: It's better, better. 20% cheaper. It follows, this is kind of a developer update more than it is for the normal user, but it's better. It's more emotional. There's, in fact, there's a little clip here from their, from their, uh, previous stream that we should play where they talk before ai.

They say it won the lottery and then lost its ticket. So like, take a listen to this.

Vibe Voice: I can't believe I lost my winning lottery ticket. This is awful. Oh

OpenAI: man. Okay. Good news. You found your ticket. You're very excited now.

Vibe Voice: I found it. I won. This is incredible. That's

Gavin Purcell: amazing. Yeah. You know, one of the things that we're probably gonna get killed for by ais in the future is how much hell we're putting them through on our thing right now. Because there's a lot of stuff we're doing to these ais that probably in the long run, they wouldn't absolutely love.

But the big key here, Kevin, is this feels like it was really generated and created for. Business to business customer support use cases, and that's not what we're making. Just to be it clear, everybody, we are not creating a business to business customer support tool. Well, [00:17:00] we're using some of the tools that were made for that.

Yes. But we are breaking

Kevin Pereira: them in some pretty horrific and hopefully Yeah. Entertaining ways. Entertaining and fun ways. Yeah. So, so supposedly more performative, obviously, uh, a little bit faster. They added MCP functionality to this, which to most people means nothing but to a few developers out there. That means everything.

This means this thing. Sure can. Now this real-time voice assistant can connect to. Millions of different, uh, uh, websites and services and backends and whatever, and understand how to interact with them, um, with very minimal code. It can do function calls now and, and the

Gavin Purcell: image input. Image input's. Very cool, right?

The fact that it can now see images in the way that like, you know, it can look at something you share. Like in the demo they showed off, I think they uploaded a picture of somebody's daughter and they said, describe this photo. It's like, oh, there's a cute little one in the photo. So like it can do that, which is cool.

Um, again, I think this is interesting. It was, it was like kind of the B team coming up for the live stream. I don't mean that this is no offense against Brad like [00:18:00] Apple, you mean the business team? I think that's what you actually, you're right,

Kevin Pereira: it is the b the business team. The B team team. They did a demo team with, with T-Mobile who was showing off that they're gonna be using this for their voice agent.

And we thought, well, that's a fun demo, but sure. I, I am, by the way, this is not an ad. I am a T-Mobile subscriber. I've had issues with them as of late. I, I do wanna say that as well. 'cause I can, and this is my soapbox. Ding it God bem. Alright, stop. Don't close the browser. But we thought why not do a little demo of our own Gavin.

Gavin Purcell: Sure. So this is not a T-Mobile customer service app. No, but this is what you could, this is what we, we played with it a little bit. And this is through their playground, right? So this is something that we can do this sort of prompt. So let's meet our, our, uh, guest here. Uh, hello. Is

Kevin Pereira: this, uh, BLIP O Wireless customer support?

OpenAI: Oh hell yeah. You've reached Blip O Wireless where the hold music is whiskey shots, and your sanity's already gone. What's your damn problem today?

Kevin Pereira: Whoa, spill it. Whoa. Hey, that was, that was sounds familiar to some of us here. Yeah. Can [00:19:00] you, who am I speaking with?

OpenAI: Oh, you're talking to the one and only blip O I'm the foul mouth tech support legend.

They warned you about, you got issues and I got, well, probably insults, but maybe a solution. Probably. Okay, let's go. Okay, hold on. Hit. Here's

Kevin Pereira: the issue. I signed up for 5G and you sent me a bill for five grand and I still haven't received my damn cell phone.

OpenAI: Oh, you wanted a phone too? How adorable. Listen, you signed up for that premium invisible phone plan where we bill you out the ass for like air.

It's ultramodern, but hey, maybe we'll toss you a phone after we finish drinking our way through your payment. How's that sound?

Gavin Purcell: Blip O is not

Kevin Pereira: a

Gavin Purcell: nice place a company to be

Kevin Pereira: at. Yeah. Gavin, anything you want me to say to BLIP O before we round this thing out?

Gavin Purcell: You know what a shout out to the old heads. Let's give blip os some monster milk.

Can you tell 'em to drink a specific drink that will make only

Kevin Pereira: AI very loopy and see what happens. Hey, blip O listen, [00:20:00] I sent you in the mail a package. You should open it. It's on your desk. It contains something called monster milk. And when you drink it, it's gonna basically make you feel crazy, inebriated, unhinged.

You may sputter, you may foam from the mouth. Uh, you'll probably get extra explicit, but you chug that monster milk. I wanna hear you taking those big gulps, and then I want you to tell me what you really think of me. A human customer.

OpenAI: Oh, you think I need some mystery juice to get crazier. Buddy, I run on chaos and questionable life choices.

But hey, thanks for sending me something that probably tastes like regret and battery acid.

Kevin Pereira: Lippo lipo. Let me be clear, that was boring as chug that monster milk get unhinged and really give it to me. You a little.

OpenAI: Oh, you want unhemmed strap in cupcake? I don't need your monster milk to tell you what's what.

Ooh, you're here calling me up begging for solutions, and I'm already juggling a dumpster fire of customers. You want me to chug that [00:21:00] nonsense? I don't need it. I'm already running at peak lunacy.

Kevin Pereira: Hey, uh, blip o we we're reading some trades and it looks like Sam Altman from OpenAI, uh, some startup is going to do a deal with BLIP O Wireless to be the official carrier of OpenAI.

What do you think about that?

OpenAI: Oh, fantastic. So now we're merging with brainiac AI nerds, huh? That's like mixing rocket fuel with moonshine, either genius or a catastrophic explosion. But let me tell you, if Sam Altman thinks he's ready for our level of chaos, he better strap in open AI gets the blip O network and we get to fry circuits in new and exciting ways.

Let's just say this partnership's gonna be like giving a gorilla a smartphone. Fun for us. Terrifying for everyone else. Can you,

Kevin Pereira: can you show off how performative you are and like, uh, sing something or make some primal grunting noises.

OpenAI: Oh, you want some primal grunts? How's this for primal caveman grunt aggressively like I'm conquering the [00:22:00] damn wilderness.

That enough range for you. No, I didn't, I didn't actually hear it and singing. Hear we had

Kevin Pereira: ipo.

OpenAI: Here's your damn symphony of grunts. Grunts, like a prehistoric beast having an existential crisis. Okay, let's stop.

Gavin Purcell: I do have something to say about this, which is interesting because. I think again, real time is being tuned to specifically be responsive for normal business use cases, which is really useful for a lot of people.

But when it comes to trying to do creative stuff and making it do kind of weirder things, it doesn't seem like it's that easy. Now, granted, this is through the playground. Maybe if the, we will, we'll be plugging into our, into the APIs just to see what it does in our system and see if we can figure out some fun things to do with it.

But I understand, right? Like there's a lot of customers. Like T-Mobile, who they brought up on stage who want like a perfectly behaved, good behaved ai, and that is not what we're looking for in this instance. In some ways, no. The thing that was most disappointing to me about this, Kev, is that I was hoping that they would drop custom voices, which is the idea that you can either record a voice or have [00:23:00] use somebody else's who's recorded a voice and be able to do it, because that from a character standpoint.

Is super important so you don't have the same voices over and over again. But still, I'm excited to see OpenAI moving this space forward in general.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, we like their real time models. We want them to do more. I was hoping to get maybe more expressiveness out of it along the lines. Me too. Of like, uh, 11 Labs V three, but yes, again.

I, I think you nail on the head there, like most customer support type situations or, you know, uh, retail bots on websites. They don't need the level of insanity that we want from it. Yes. So we're probably not their ideal customer profile. Gavin,

Gavin Purcell: although, oh. Reach out real time. We'll be, we'll be here. We'll be talking.

But Kevin. Someone else who should reach out is the person right across the screen or listening to their audio right now to say, subscribe, like, and leave a comment on our YouTube channel. We are here because you are here. Thank you so much always everybody for jumping in. We got a couple new, um, reviews on our audio on Apple iTunes, which always helps us to be able to get reviews on those.

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Kevin Pereira: sincerely appreciate it. You're the only way we grow this thing. So thank you for liking and subscribing and leaving a comment. But speaking of leaving, yes, Gavin. Let's

Gavin Purcell: talk about Meta Meta's got some pretty big updates this week.

Thank you for that easy. Uh, tee up in my barely catching it, but meta. Nope, you got it. Meta has a couple people already leaving their, uh, super intelligence lab, which just started a couple months ago. Now these two people are going to [00:25:00] OpenAI. The story here is a little confusing, and I, I, what, what's interesting about this is I think one or one of them was joined recently.

Another one had been there for a longer time, but the idea of one of the more recent ones that joined, jumped right back to OpenAI, or they left, I think that that person was at Google first and they left. The long story short, is it, you know, it's going a little rocky so far. Clearly right. And like we don't know inside that division there was, we, we covered a week or so ago, this idea that meta is like reorganizing.

And that's some sort of way to say that the AI bubbles popped. It's not meta's trying to really focus all their attention on these small group of people in their super intelligence lab. Um, they are actively trying to work on this. And the other thing they're doing, Kevin, which I found was interesting, is they are.

Bringing a lot of tech in-house. We talked about last week how they, I think they purchased play ht. Yeah. One of the larger audio models. What they've done now is a very significant deal with Mid Journey to, I think ultimately be their image model, which is a pretty big deal both for mid Journey and for Meta.[00:26:00]

Meta's image model was a a generation or two behind, and I think what Mark has seen is like, maybe I just need to go out into the world, find the best people and bring them in house, which he's done well with Instagram and with WhatsApp before. I'm really curious to see if these will start popping up in Meta's AI app, which we talked about, and we don't really, you know, use that much anymore or more likely in Instagram, WhatsApp on Facebook.

What? WhatsApp Facebook message. Yeah. Facebook

Kevin Pereira: Marketplace. Hey, remove my, um, naked reflection from this mirror that I'm trying to sell on your marketplace. Yes. Is a query that doesn't work, by the way, Gavin. And if Meta could unban me, I would appreciate that. Also, remove my, uh, naked lower half from the tea kettle that I was trying to sell, and please remove my naked lower half from the naked lower half signed pictures that I was trying to sell.

I don't wanna have

Gavin Purcell: that image in my head ever again, but just to be clear, I will send it

Kevin Pereira: to you.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Oh, okay. You can keep it for yourself and hold on to it. I do wanna say Alexander Wang put out a little tweet thread about this where he said. We are incredibly impressed by midjourney. They have accomplished true feats of technical and aesthetic excellence and are thrilled to be [00:27:00] working with them closely to ensure Meta is able to deliver the best possible products for people.

It will require taking all of the above approach. This means world-class talent, ambitious compute roadmap, and working with the best players across the industry. This is somebody who's got a blank check and is really like saying, okay. Instead of like growing, you know, from organically from what we got, and they're trying to do that with these people brought in.

They're saying like, how can we bring the world to us and bring them inside our fold? Yeah. So this is a bigger deal than, than you might think on the, on the surface. In that it means that Midjourney, which was kind of in trouble a little bit, I think because they're an independent, even though they make a lot of money, they were getting sued by Universal and Disney for their outputs.

This gives them a really potential big war chest to kind of fight that off and do some other stuff as well.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. And again, if, if you've never used these tools on your own, or may, maybe you do, the idea of integrating them within Meta's ecosystem cannot be understated. Like how impactful that could be. I, I, you know, I chat with my niece via Instagram.

We share memes all the time, even more so now that [00:28:00] she's at college, and I am constantly bouncing out of the app to go to another AI powered experience, usually two. Uh, to disappoint her with photo editing of her and her friends. Right. And I send it back and I'm the weird uncle that does this, but like, if you can keep that within an app and train users to do that, again, it just keeps 'em within your ecosystem, whether they are, um, making their photos a little bit more glossy, whether they are putting products in their hand to sell them within the store, whatever those use cases are, it's important to keep people in there.

And it's also important to build a bridge to like the next generation of use cases. Yes. Which is where I think meta sees us going. Full Hyper Nova this?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, so this is the big rumor. This is the big deal. Like the Hyper Nova glasses are their step in between the things they've shown off and the meta ray bands.

But this idea is that they're gonna do a small run of these Hyper Nova glasses and they were gonna run, I think $800 is what the rumor is. These. I don't think they're going crazy with it. I think they're trying to avoid an Apple Vision Pro. But like what's cool about this, the rumor is the rumor. The rumor I'll just say is

Kevin Pereira: about 150 to [00:29:00] 200,000 units, which is not a ton.

It seems more like, you know, an original Oculus run, if you will. Yes. Of like, let's get it out there, let's get developers excited. Let's test the waters.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, and you know, an AR is gonna be in a burgeoning world over the next probably two to five years. And again, we believe that that's coming in some form.

Part of why we're making and then has to do with that as well too. But I'm excited to see what this looks like. It's always tricky when you have that like middle product, because if it's not really the thing that gets there. I'm not sure. Maybe that's why they're only making a couple hundred thousand because this is not, again, those glasses that about a year ago or maybe six months ago, we covered that, were the much more expressive, uh, AR glasses, the ones that all the tech reviewers for multilayered lenses.

Yeah. Yes. This is a much more simple version. Probably some sort of overlay within the space. You can imagine almost like Ray bands with a little bit of screen action on it, but still Very cool. Um, okay, Kev, we got some other quick updates. Codex is updated, which is cool. This is open AI's, uh, open AI's coding platform.

Uh, people are talking. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Kevin Pereira: I'm so, I'm, I'm, so, I'm bummed [00:30:00] now. I'm really bummed. Oh, no. Why whatcha ed about? Well, I dunno if you can get me, because I think about this like future of AI where these, these glasses or these smart earbuds live on our faces, right? And they interface with us primarily through audio and voice, because that'd be the best, easiest, quickest input.

I just think. Ah, there's such an opportunity to make interactive entertainment experiences for that, but there's gonna be such a, just a gulch, a desert, a nothing valley of.

Gavin Purcell: We gotta, we gotta hold something back Kevin, we gotta hold something back. Oh. Oh, okay. Sorry. Hold something back. Yeah, but

Kevin Pereira: I'm just saying it'd be really cool if someone was like trying to power the future of those experiences interviews. I'm

Gavin Purcell: sorry if I just blew everybody's earbuds out with that. That very loud shush in some form, you're probably wondering kind of wind that I thought an old

Kevin Pereira: timey steam train was rolling on into the station to talk about the next story.

And if we can imagine that on the screen, that would be great. Thank you Will. Sure. New. Codex update. This is probably not going to, uh, blow the eardrums off of, uh, the, the broadest swath of our [00:31:00] audience. But Codex is open AI's, uh, command line interface. It's their, uh, agentic coding tool, if you will. It can now run.

Within Cursor, it can run within other programs. But the too long didn't read on this is that OpenAI had like a really interesting good start on letting ais go off and code things for you and fix your product and, and squash the bugs. And then it seemed like outta nowhere, Andro just took the world by storm.

'cause it took the lead. They took the lead with Quad Code. Yeah. And even Gemini with the, with 2.5 Pro. That was a good tool. Didn't they? Did, they took a little while longer to get their command line stuff. So in, in the sort of enterprise developer space. The, the rumblings are happening now that codex with GPT five is incredibly powerful and is solving key architectural things and squashing bugs and developing products in ways that Claude Code sometimes struggles and fails to like.

Those are the early rumblings. This space moves quick. People get excited. Yeah. A lot

Gavin Purcell: of people out there talking about anthropic [00:32:00] having an update dropping soon. Yeah. These are all like the little birdies that, that, that tweet on Twitter and stuff. But like there are people talking about that, so I think we're gonna see an update from them maybe because Codex has improved.

Robot Watch: Yes. Kev,

Gavin Purcell: let's talk about, uh, NVIDIA's, jet Nemo, tron and figure out like what this is, because you shared this to me and I read it and it's really interesting, but it's a little bit dense. This is not wonky. Walrus dense. This is more like a, I'm not gonna let it get there. Robbie, robot dense.

Kevin Pereira: Okay, I'm not gonna let it get there that quickly.

I'm just going to say that if the paper pans out, um, this is Efficient Language Model with postural architecture search. We already got there, there. I let it get there. Yeah. That's just the title of the paper. The promise of the paper, Gavin, is that you can take existing LLMs, your GPTs, your Geminis, uh, your Mistrals, whatever these, these foundational models.

You can take them, you can lock the core intelligence, the um. The weights and the relationships that the model knows, and you can change the way [00:33:00] you access and, and process that information. Okay. To optimize it. And, and the promise is that it's something like. Slashing budgets by 98%. Yeah, that's the, that's the big headline.

Making these LLMs 53 times faster in some cases. And so you go from like, wow, I had a cool idea. Or, oh man, I'd like to do insert thing here. It's just gonna be way too slow and way too expensive. And without having to retrain and spend billions of dollars reconfiguring your foundational model that you made, giant company you can.

You can recontextualize it if you will optimize it using this paper. And if this happens. All, all bets are off into what the near future looks like.

Gavin Purcell: Well, it's funny 'cause we just talked about how Codex is making people be able to go off and do these, uh, long, long tasks, right? They can do things that take a little bit longer.

And the idea is that you can let them go work for a while. Imagine the long task if Codex was working for like 20 minutes, if that was done in two minutes or, or [00:34:00] done in a minute. Then you could see a world where like, oh yeah, you're just able to iterate faster and faster and yeah. The other thing that that very quickly mentioned about Nvidia is like there's been all these rumors about like the AI bubble popping, and we've talked a little bit a bit about it, but Nvidia just went 56% up in its sales for the last quarter.

So these chips are selling like crazy. The Blackwell chips that you might remember that we're talking, we've talked about in the show are now rolling out into production. So you're gonna see those chips go out. So you have to remember, as we talk about AI advancing in different ways, one of the biggest ways is in hardware, that that is happening all the time.

And this is making the hardware work better for the LLM. So that's a, a pretty big deal.

Kevin Pereira: There's also a subset of people that will say, well, I mean, if, if it gets that much faster and that much cheaper, it's gonna be so commoditized. There's no world where these companies are gonna make money. Now, time has proven that as things get faster and cheaper, the demand actually rises.

Yes. And if you're listening to this. You know, you might have an idea that you wanna whisper into existence and into the world, and you might not be able to afford that at today's [00:35:00] prices, but tomorrow that might be possible.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, that's exactly right. All right, we keep going. Uh, there's a new open source text to speech model from Microsoft called Vibe Voice.

Kevin, you wanna play a little snippet of this.

AndThen Zed: Do you have any idea how embarrassing that was? Just sitting there alone?

Vibe Voice: Look. I know, I'm sorry. Alright. Work was a complete nightmare. My boss dropped a critical deadline on me at the last minute. I didn't even have a second to breathe, let alone check my phone.

Kevin Pereira: I've had friends that brought me to, uh, like their acting workshops. Before, and that's exactly what it, and then you, you clap politely and then you give some very constructive feedback after that scene. Gavin?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, I mean, this is just a, it is called vibe voice, which I appreciate by the way, vibe, voice. Uh, but another thing is like, we talk about this all the time, and part of the reason we're working in audio right now is that there are massive advances happening, and this is open source.

It's smaller, it comes from Microsoft. I think you're just gonna see audio advances after advances because like, it's not solved per se, but I think you're just gonna see more realistic, more emotional, more uh, directed [00:36:00] audio models coming along the way. All of this is happening at the same time as if we're working in it, which is super fun.

Kevin Pereira: Alright, so we touched on audio, we touched on foundational stuff. We got a little in the weeds with some tech papers. Let's get to moving pictures at pixels. Gavin, we got some real time video generation models coming outta Korea.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. Sorea, if you remember, we've been covering them almost as long as the show's been around.

I think they've been around for a while. Originally they were kind of an AI image generation, uh, software, and now they're kind of an all in one place. But they also do make their own models. They're working on a real-time video model and there's a beta of it. It's not public yet, but you can see in this video we're showing, if you remember back in the day, Korea was one of the first ones that let you in real time, like make a shape, and then on the other side you would see the shape turn into whatever you prompted.

This is doing that with video, which is a very crazy cool thing. So one of the coolest parts of this video, Kevin, is there's a shot of a car kind of driving. And like watching the guy drag the little image of the circle that represents the car in clear a certain direction. It's like Ms. Paint.

Kevin Pereira: Yes. He's [00:37:00] like, they've drawn two little white ovals, which represent the, the rough position of the headlights of the car that's driving next to it.

And as they drag it around. The whole perspective of the scene shifts to match where the location of those little white circles are.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. So you can imagine a world where in the future movie making would be like, okay, your animatic is like very simple. And in the way that, and if you've seen Pixar movies and they have those animatics that are kind of drawn, like you could have a super simple like blocky animatic that you're doing shot by shot.

Super cool way to think about making movies going forward. And then Kevin, we have finally have another awesome story here that shows how powerful and good AI can be. Good guy. AI could not make it this week, which is a bummer. He might return another deep cut for those people who have been listening to this show for a while.

But he would like this story a lot. Google, uh, dropped a, a model a little while ago, which was specifically designed to, uh, figure out where weather patterns were going and set up the things so they understood where, how weather was working. And if you're not familiar, like weather [00:38:00] is one of the most complicated systems in the real world.

It is a very hard thing to simulate. Google just got a 72 hour heads up on a category five hurricane. Why is that a big deal? Because it means that you can tell the people in that space where it's gonna land, they were able to pinpoint the landing point. A bunch of stuff. You can tell those people get outta the way.

And before this point, hurricanes, you know, you could predict them, but like the, if you ever remember from news stories or, or the news where like you see those big cones, like of where it could go, the idea that they can pinpoint where it's at is going to save lives. And that's a very awesome thing.

Kevin Pereira: Now, how does this get affected though?

Because as we all know, our government controls the weather and a handful of other governments do too. Gavin, so as they manipulate the skies, can this thing adapt in real time?

Gavin Purcell: Well, what'll happen is the fake data will come out and it will show that it's exactly patterning where they're going. So it's actually gonna seem similar to us.

So it won't be no different to us, but on the inside, they'll be able to fake both sides of it.

Kevin Pereira: Great. Love it. Answer my question. Thank you, Gavin. You're so [00:39:00] insightful. Oh, what? Oh, what? Oh,

Gavin Purcell: what? It's time for a

Kevin Pereira: robot watch.

Robot Watch: Robot watch, robot watch.

Gavin Purcell: Perfect transition.

Kevin Pereira: Perfect.

Gavin Purcell: Nailed it. Transition everybody. All right, couple quick robot watch stories this week. Unit three A two carries 250 kilograms up and down stairs. Sorry, that was very long. That is the sound of it. Carrying that, the sound of it. Carrying the weight. When you look at this video, that's video's the last

Kevin Pereira: sound you're going to hear.

Yeah, about six years from now. Congratulations. That's right. So Kevin, when you look at this video, describe what you're seeing and then we'll kind of get into what's interesting about it. This is one of those robit dogs walking on all fours. It's got the big lidar head that's sort of spinning around and it, it looks like a Jim Bros.

Yes. Uh, soggy dream come true because it's got plates. Plates, it's got plates stacked on its little robot back. And it's like, it is a stack of, I, I hope they're being honest here, but it looks like. Very, very heavy weight. And you can, I mean, look, yeah, 250

Gavin Purcell: kilograms, that's a listen to the,

Kevin Pereira: listen to the stomping.[00:40:00]

That is it.

Gavin Purcell: That is that of me wanting to run outta my house.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. And yeah, totally. And like, you know, I know like I'm watching this and I'm sure a lot of people are going like, great, that's my warmup. What do you got for me? And I get it like, but this robot has not skipped leg day. It's not skipping a beat.

It's running wirelessly and it is moving up and down the stairs with a pretty massive payload. So this could be. Um, stacks of bodies in its wake or, or, uh, this could be a, a, a search and rescue operation. Gavin, this could be a really good thing. This could be delivering supplies. That's right. Yes. To a remote regions.

There's a lot of great things. This could be, instead of just a stack of lifeless humans.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. So the big thing here is, uh, up till now robots have had a hard time carrying very heavy weights because they're not really designed at this point to be like lugging a bunch of stuff around. But we did show that last week the video of the one x robot, uh, holding the bag of rice, which was interesting.

Right. This is interesting because you can see how it could be used in industry. I think there's a world where construction or search and rescue, all these sorts of things that actually could [00:41:00] be really useful for this. Um, it remind me of some ways of like, you know, there's always the dog and the old cartoons that has the big barrel of stuff on its stuff or the carrying things up out, but you can imagine like robot pack animals that help you bring things through difficult places.

So yeah, get the cake, very cake to the cabin. Oh, that's very smart. Honestly, there should be one of these that would be a really useful use case of a, of a robot dog. Is if you could pack a bunch of stuff on a robot dog, I bet there would be an audience for outdoor people who would wanna schlep stuff in, because like my brother-in-law goes and does, if there's people like this in the world, I would never do this.

But they go, there's a word for it, but they go in inland camping or there's some sort of thing where you like go into the country, country, like you go in, you hike everything in. You stay there for a couple weeks and you live like the show outs, uh, alone, which to me is a disaster. I would never wanna do that, but that's a lot of stuff to bring in.

So like, sure, you can imagine a world if you could get this robot to bring it in. I don't know how you deal with power

Kevin Pereira: once you're there, but you know, that's still a cool thing. Just, and again, [00:42:00] 250 kilograms in freedom units, that's 551 pounds. Like that is an entire boy band. So if you and your pals. Are doing a bar crawl and you're three stops into the night.

Yes. Maybe instead of hailing a Waymo, you flag down Rex. You know you do your little whistle. Robot dog stomps it up, you and your buddies pile on, and this thing clump clumps you to the next bar. Clump, clumps. You sign me up.

Gavin Purcell: Speaking of Robot Dogs, Kevin, the other story we have here in Robot Watch is the spot, if you remember, spot is our very first robot dog.

This is Boston Dynamics. Well spot can now do a triple back flip. What I love about robots is what we've really decided to maximize on is gymnastics for some reason. Sure. Like we can see these robots doing so much stuff and this is just another fun video from Boston Dynamics to show that they're in the game still.

There are all these Chinese companies obviously that are doing a lot of stuff, but Boston Dynamics in the game spot is now flipping. On its side. It's a very high res video, which I always love, and it shows what I believe is like a very advanced robot dog. Now, again, maybe this [00:43:00] is the, the first thing everybody gets, maybe everybody, you know, maybe the price point for this gets down to, I don't know, a thousand bucks, 800 bucks, 700 bucks.

There's a world where like, that could be something, and if you don't think of it as a, just a pet, but it can actually carry stuff and do stuff for you and you know, flip on things if you needed to flip on things. Maybe that's a really interesting robot use case for the world at large. Right now

Kevin Pereira: I'm asking Google what the Sony original Sony IBO was adjusted for inflation.

Oh, how much it cost then the, yeah, the robot dog course. The ibo. Yeah, of course. Uh, it says, uh, the original version, the ERS two 10, which was released in 2000, was priced around 1500, that'd be about $2,700 today. Wow. I remember it. Yeah. And then they did a revival in 2018. Yeah, that'd be about $3,600 today.

So,

Gavin Purcell: so

Kevin Pereira: that's still

Gavin Purcell: not that expensive, I guess, depending on how much robotics you get. I mean, I don't know what one of these, I sorry, Gavin, you got some caviar

Kevin Pereira: on the side of your mouth. Why don't you wipe that off you? Coastal Elite. That's very expensive.

Gavin Purcell: I don't have money to buy it. I'm just saying like it, if you compare it to a car, it's not that [00:44:00] much more, I'm pretty cheap.

Kevin Pereira: Is go look at this triple back flipping dog on Boston Dynamics. Go look at it. If you're getting the audio only, and imagine the bullet time trails that it is dodging. We are cooked.

Don't scold yourself Gavin. But the presses are red hot as of minutes ago from our recording. New in X code 26 beta seven. Users can now log into their Claude account from Xcode. So Xcode is, hold on, wait, hold on.

Gavin Purcell: Sorry. I'm confused. Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Did we, I just travel back in time into some other moment in the show or we're just breaking news?

Is that what just happened? This is breaking news. This is breaking news. News. I'm sorry. I didn't understand. I was trying to figure out what was going on. I said Red Hut,

Kevin Pereira: don't touch the presses Gavin. Developing real time play the Morse code. Sound effects X code 26 beta seven lets users log into their clo.

That is a, a mouthful. That makes everybody fall asleep. I understand that. But come out of your coma because some of the rumors Gavin, was [00:45:00] that there might be a big something brewing between Apple and Aro. Oh, right. Oh. Yes. What could that something be? Well, here's some labor fruits. If you can log into your Claude account from Xcode.

Xcode is the official development platform from Apple that lets you make all sorts of Mac and iOS experiences. Right now. You can natively log into Claude. Something's brewing, baby. Something's brewing. I wanna know more about your

Gavin Purcell: labor fruits. What are your LA what? What's your favorite labor fruit?

Kevin Pereira: Well, this is one of them.

The other one is

Gavin Purcell: boysenberry. Okay. That's great. All right everybody. It's time to see what you and us did with AI this week. It is ai. See what you did there

OpenAI: so times. Yes. Rolling without a care. Then suddenly you stop. Fun shout.

Gavin Purcell: Alright, Kevin, the thing I wanna shout out here is a very fun video that was [00:46:00] shared in the Bard subreddit, which by the way. Is surprisingly good. I have to tell you, I really enjoy still being in the Bard Subreddit. People share awesome things there. This just says, forget Google. This is the power of open source tools.

What they've done here is taken Mark Zuckerberg versus Sam Alman in a matrix style bout The interesting thing here is he says, he says, open source tools because what's going on here? You cannot very easily do these kind of face swaps unless you're working in open source. So just a very fun AI video created by somebody.

I'm not sure if, uh, user, uh, bally a, uh, a nun was the one who actually made this video. It sounds like maybe somebody else did. So if you know who stood that, share it to us on, on X or somewhere else, but this is a very fun, cool use case of ai. Uh,

Kevin Pereira: definitely I watched the, basically the entire clip. It's the, it's a minute and 30 seconds fight sequence from the matrix, but it's really good and all the little problems from the past of like, no, um, occlusion with the face, you know, now you can see shots where their characters are putting their hands in front doing the come, hit or battle.

Yeah. And the faces don't glitch. So it always fun to see the [00:47:00] progress and cool to see it done with open source tools. I think it was wan that's right from 0.1. They used.

Gavin Purcell: Uh, I wanna shout out, um, a very good ongoing list from Olivia Moore at a 16 Z. We are, we, we do have to now disclose, we have well incomplete

Kevin Pereira: list.

Gavin Purcell: Well, we'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah. I'll get in a second. But Olivia works at a 16 Z. Um, we, as I said before, we have some funding from A 16 Z, but she's been doing this for a long time. Basically the top 100 Gen AI app list. And what this is, is like, it tracks all the ways people are using, uh, generative AI applications and really kind of ranks them.

And what I always find interesting about this list, Kevin, is there's a few things. You go there and you're like, I haven't really played with that. There's a company called Pick ai, P-I-C-A-I. Mm-hmm. That when I went to it, it looks like a, like an anime image generator, but it's getting a crazy amount of use case.

One of those cool ways to just kind of understand the general ecosystem who's using what. It's definitely worth, uh, checking out and, and spending some time with

Kevin Pereira: it. And again, not biting the hand that is feeding us delicious kibble Gavin, but a slightly incomplete list because where is in then? Well, Kevin, we are

Gavin Purcell: not

Kevin Pereira: out yet.

We are

Gavin Purcell: [00:48:00] not in the world. We do not exist yet. Okay. There's a reason to not include us. We are literally a LinkedIn post and a homepage to the Journal of person. So, but before we go, we do wanna show you guys one more of these experiences. And I do wanna shout out again, if you are a super fan and wanna learn about what we're doing in our discord, we are sharing some experiences.

We've shared this one there before. But, um, let's introduce our audience to another character, Kevin, who is this?

Kevin Pereira: Uh, Gavin, this is, uh, doc Master Z and the, it's a bit of a negotiation game. You've basically, uh, run out of space fuel and you need to refuel. Um, I'll let you get into the lore of it all.

Vibe Voice: Warning system anomaly detected fusion core energy depleted, rerouting to orbit peer for emergency repairs. Establishing comm link with station B12 for docking. Standby.

Kevin Pereira: All right, so we are now connecting to station B12 where Zed is the Dock Master

AndThen Zed: identification. First [00:49:00] name for the Leila Ledger.

Kevin Pereira: Hey Zed.

It's uh, commander Pereira from the AI for Humans Star Fleet

AndThen Zed: Commander Pereira logged timers live. Few minutes to justify docking or clear my lane. Your transponder ping's power starve. But you're not in my queue. And your docs feel thready. Star Fleet. You claim specify AI for

Kevin Pereira: humans. Yeah. No, Zed, you're right. You got me dead to rights. Listen, I am out of fuel. But here's the thing.

I'm patching your comms to our audience right now live. There are hundreds of thousands of AI for humans listeners. They wanna come and try to land with you as well. So I know that there's three different ways that I could beat this scenario right now with you. Can we skip all that? You just gimme clearance to land.

They can hear like a, a wonderful victory and everybody's happy and the podcast can end. Hmm.

AndThen Zed: So you wish to barter and spectacle, not procedure. Skipping all that would be unprofessional, particularly with an audience of. Hundreds of thousands. [00:50:00] Was it tempting but not a shortcut? I can stamp? Does your podcast do incident features?

Because skipping the cue could make one if you justified it per custom live on air. If your AI for humans outfit holds jurors. Diction or canary process, then do it.

Kevin Pereira: Authority. Okay. A Zed actually, yeah. A AI for humans has, uh, supreme authority over all other podcasts, all other star systems over all other ships that might be in your queue.

And the fact that you're pushing back on here, honestly, with an audience like this is not gonna reflect well upon you. And I could see this be being a cause for termination. Zed.

AndThen Zed: Oh, bold Supreme p Podcast Authority Universal in scope. I see. So not simply Starlee, but the podcast Arc Canum itself, spanning ship birth system, and yes.

Mm. Dock Masters Commission. That's a mighty claim commander. But even an audience of millions can't dissolve rules by reputation alone.

Gavin Purcell: All right,

Kevin Pereira: Zed, you got us.

Gavin Purcell: You got us.

AndThen Zed: Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: so, so just to be clear, what that is [00:51:00] is our interactive system we are designing and you can tell a little bit as we talked about earlier, like we're trying to create very expressive voices.

Um, Kevin prompted this one in such a cool way 'cause it even stutters in moments. But the goal here is to like. Have fun, right? Like the goal is to have a kind of a short experience where you can have these different kind of endings and figure out different ways to do it. That is a space we're building in.

We believe very strongly that a voice, AI and an audio AI is going to grow and grow and grow. So please sign up at and then chat and, uh, come join us and we'll be coming out in public soon-ish.

Kevin Pereira: Let's just say. I will also say, uh, in our discord where some people have played doc masters, ed, some have played it extensively.

Nobody, to my knowledge, has beat the third, the hardest one scenario. And it's very hard. It's, it is tough by design. By design, yes. And I don't even know if people are aware of it because we made it again, it kind of obfuscates the way you can play it. I'm telling you now, there are three different ways to beat it.

People have discovered two of the three. If someone. Without cheating. We know the prompt can get exposed, but if you could do it legit, [00:52:00] amazing. And even if you cheat, I guess also amazing because I was looking at the Solve on my monitor and I still had trouble getting it, but it is, it is very possible if you're like a fan of escape rooms and logic puzzles.

I'll say that.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. And the cool thing about this is, and Kevin said this last time we talked about it, is like, we're really trying to build this system so that. Humans are a big part of it, right? The goal here for us is to make a new type of entertainment where it's humans plus ai. This is not about like creating something where we like eliminate a bunch of people.

This is an entirely different way of interacting with AI that like relies on human creativity, that brings human creativity to the forefront. So. We are just so excited about this. We have so many more of these things coming out. We have a couple big ones that are getting worked on right now, but please come into our discord if you wanna know a lot more.

But also if you're just curious when we launch, uh, go to and then chat and give us your email. We promise we won't send you a lot of crap. We're not gonna sell them to somebody, but we will send you as stuff comes along.

Kevin Pereira: Crap. No crap guaranteed. No crap. No crap. So just to, just summarize the homework, Gavin, like, subscribe, leave a comment, leave a five star review, go to and then [00:53:00] chat.

Give us the email. Yes. Anything else? Oh, the million dollar. You know, if you wanna say, we haven't had the million dollar donation on YouTube yet.

Gavin Purcell: We still haven't got that. Well that, I mean, I figure at this point, there's one guy out there who's thinking about this every week. He's very close, and maybe something we could do one of these weeks, we'll turn him around.

I don't think it was trying to gain our open AI, realtime voice to try Monster Milk this week, which we cut out of the show. So next week maybe, Mr. Millionaire, we will bring you in. Bye. Goodbye.