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Gavin Purcell: [00:00:00] Huge news. Apple has chosen Google Gemini to power. Its new AI system.

Kevin Pereira: Huger News. Google just launched personal intelligence, so now you don't actually need Siri. What is happening?

Gavin Purcell: Spoiler. It all has to do with the lock in that every single one of these companies wants to become your only personal AI assistant.

Kevin Pereira: Along those lines, Claude Cowork is out now and it's giving a glimpse. At these AI powered interfaces of the future, but should you download it and trust it with all of your cat pictures.

Gavin Purcell: Speaking of cats, Kevin GR can no longer put bikinis on people, but guess what? We still can.

Kevin Pereira: No Gavin, bad, bad, and stop putting bikinis on cats.

The cat cani is never taking stop. It also an image Gen Flux has a new model which can make cowboy mustaches bigger and bigger in near real time, and we will tell you how you can play with it for free.

Gavin Purcell: And there's new open AI staffing drama when isn't there.

Kevin Pereira: Plus a look at why the world's biggest streamer right now is actually an AI chat bot.

Gavin Purcell: [00:01:00] And I'll walk you through how I use. Claude Code to make a personal website. That does not suck.

Kevin Pereira: Oh, okay. We're just schilling personal projects, Gavin, because while we're at it, I building,

Gavin Purcell: this is AI for humans.

Welcome everybody to AI for Humans. It's your weekly guide into the wonderful world of ai. And Kevin, this week there was some big business news that has repercussions not only amongst AI businesses, but also for you at home. Yes, apple. Has chosen Google Gemini to power the next gen. Siri, when you look at this story on the top of it, my first thought was, wow, apple really fumbled the bag.

Yeah, Siri came out in like 20 15, 20 14, and now we are fully handing it over to Google. But there are much bigger implications here. I think,

Kevin Pereira: well, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, okay. Apple intelligence. Was like supposed to launch like two years ago and change, right? Yes. A bunch of features that never actually came to fruition.

There were lawsuits. They [00:02:00] pulled all the marketing, they integrated chat, GPT, which I've authenticated. Not only in my Mac, but also on my iPhone, which occasionally it will ship things off to chat GPT and then kinda bungle the response. So that's a clear signal that something happened with the open AI relationship.

Yes. Something happened with the engineers where there's been turnover, they're not going to improve the chat GPT interface, and now we're getting Google in our iPhones and not just as the default search engine.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, I mean, I think this is all part of a bigger story, which we wanna kind of hit as an overarching kind of conversation today, which is about.

We are in 2026. The big kind of trend in 2026, I think is gonna be about AI trying to lock you into their system. And they're going to do that in part by getting you to basically give all your data and all of your stuff to a single personal assistant. And in my mind, that's what this is. Um, Google themselves just launched something really interesting.

Which is called personal intelligence, which I believe is the first step to [00:03:00] this. So Kev, tell me a little bit about what you think that's all about and then maybe we can connect that back to the apple part of this too.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. So to round out the Apple thing, uh, you know, should be shipping soon as in like 2026 soon.

Gemini powered assistant. Supposedly it's a, a, a fine tuned model. It's one of Gemini, uh, Google's, Gemini models, but it's custom trained to strip out a lot of the Google stuff and run securely on Apple cervix. If you remember when they announced Apple Intelligence, the whole thing was privacy. Yes. And your security, and it's in our cloud, and you get to decide when requests go every, okay.

Right on the heels of that personal intelligence, which is Google's. Gemini stab at doing this. You have to opt into it, but you give it permission to crawl your profile, your information across a myriad of Google services. So it's, I already did it. YouTube, Google Photos. I did it, yeah, Gmail, uh uh, all of that into one intelligence service.

And what did it do for you, Gavin?

Gavin Purcell: Well, you know what's funny? Right now [00:04:00] it only seems to be really good at suggesting stuff. Now, granted, one of the hardest things about any AI service for us is that we're kind of spread across all of them. So I'm not driving daily with Gemini right now. I'm actually driving with Claude, like I've actually kind of switched over to Claude driving daily, mostly because we'll talk about later Claude code and all sorts of other stuff.

But I will say this. I want these, these systems to know as much about me as possible, and I know that's different than a lot of people in our audience. They might be like, I'm never giving any of this information to anybody. Mm-hmm. Which some people are very protective. My thing is I want them to only answer questions based on what I know.

Right? Like I want. I want them to be smart as possible when it comes to the requests that I have. Because what kept one of the biggest like innovations in the world that people hated originally were fricking internet cookies. Because in some ways yes, internet cookies drove the, the horrible world of internet advertising where you go search for something and then an hour later you've got 15 uh, advertisements for the thing you just bought, which was bad, but.

Remembering [00:05:00] me and remembering the stuff on a website is a big deal. Like that actually is a huge

Kevin Pereira: deal. Thank you. Deal. Making me enter my preferences. Yes. Every time I enter a site, yes, I get it. Yes, but no. No on the tracking, but here. You're opting in, right? And the value prop is that there's so much data within your, your Google photos that can be tethered to your Gmail.

So when you get an email from the DMV saying, Gavin, your vehicle has unlicensed or hasn't been registered in the last five years, give us your license plate and blah, blah, blah. You can just ask, well, what's my license plate? And it can call the photos exactly. And pull that and go out and prep the email.

Theoretically, yes.

Gavin Purcell: Yes, theoretically, and that's the big point here. And theoretically it's the world. Maybe we should be calling our show AI for Humans, theoretically. The in parentheses, that should just be the new name of it because all of this is brand new. All of this is something interesting. Um, we are entering into a world where like.

I, again, going back to this kind of idea about the personal assistant. The personal assistant needs to know all of this stuff about you or it [00:06:00] is not useful. And again, right. You and I have talked about memory and persistent memory as being the kind of piece of the AI puzzle that hasn't been solved so that when you go to an AI and you can ask it, oh, you remember that thing I asked you a couple weeks ago?

You don't have to search for that thing on your sidebar to find it in the first place.

Kevin Pereira: Right? Yeah, the, the rash is getting larger. Yes. I don't wanna have to specify which one. I don't wanna have to say where it is. It should know which one I'm concerned about

Gavin Purcell: because there are at least six at any time.

Right. There are six active rashes happening.

Kevin Pereira: I mean, it depends on which quarter it is and how successful I am, but yeah. Now one thing that I've been using a lot and, and we'll get back to more Google announcements because I'm actually really excited for their commerce protocol. Don't get me

Gavin Purcell: actually, it's interesting.

We'll talk about

Kevin Pereira: it. Yes, I'm super, super fascinated by that. But like on this particular topic, I have been using, uh, a lot of cloud code and a lot of CLOs, Chrome plugins so that it can navigate the web for me.

Gavin Purcell: Yes,

Kevin Pereira: yes. And if that were Gemini enabled, it would be much easier for me to say, Hey, go find an [00:07:00] apartment.

In the areas in Portugal and Italy and Spain that I've been researching Yes, which is tethered to YouTube videos and email outreach. Just go, go search for the apartments that match my preferences in the areas that I'm interested. Instead, I have to give long-winded prompts. To Claude so that it understands what I'm trying to do and then go let it control a website.

So I, I, I am someone who values their privacy. I know you are as well, Gavin, but we also see the trade-offs that are happening here. And I think a lot more people are going to decide to make those trade-offs once these agents come online and can do more stuff for them. 'cause we will hate to have to remind them of all the things that we care about.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, and I, the last moment on part of this is the, when I say lock-in, we talk about lock-in. What's going on here is that these three big companies, let's say Anthropic, uh, Google and opening I, and kind of like other companies like Meta and Amazon, but they're not really in this mix right now. They want to make their home thing your home base, basically, they wanna make their agent, your, their agents, your home base.

And the more [00:08:00] information they have, the better results they'll give out, the more you will be locked into their system. This is really a fight for the future of not only the internet, but like how we interact with information. So like it's, it kind of sounds like over the top to say it that way, but like this could decide like the next 20 years of how the internet works and so it's a pretty big deal.

Kevin Pereira: On the apple front, which is where this began. Like them integrating Gemini.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: Do, are you excited to see what whimsy apple has dreamed up that uses their model? Or do you think like, uh uh some people are saying, I'm already underwhelmed because we know this isn't the final stop on the train line.

Right. Apple's probably gonna do their own you in-house something. So are they just. Putting a bandaid over a bandaid. The, the, the existing Apple intelligence or, well, what, what are your thoughts?

Gavin Purcell: I mean, my, my feeling in general is that Apple intelligence doesn't exist right now. And I know that it does quote unquote, like that there is something there.

So whatever they can do to make it doesn't exist. Make smarter. Like it's the same thing with [00:09:00] Amazon, right? When, when, you know, we don't have our Lexus set up in this place we're in right now, but like when Alexa turned on that Anthropic powered, I think it was Anthropic powered, uh, answer system. Uh, immediately it was so much better.

So my thing about Siri, which is interesting, is in my pocket at all times, I have an app that I can open with my voice, which isn't something that exists anywhere else. Now, Google, I'm sure, has probably integrated, uh, Gemini voice into their phones in some specific way. And I'm not a Google user, but OpenAI doesn't have a phone.

They don't have anything. We will talk about open eyes kind of play on this in a second. So if they can actually make that good, if the Gemini integration makes that good, I bet I would use it a lot.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. I agree. I, it, it seems just so crazy that these ultra capable devices that we all have in our pockets, you know, for, for Apple users, they're just no, no interesting use cases that are built into the os.

Unfortunately.

Gavin Purcell: Speaking of OpenAI, there's a really interesting rumor going around about the Johnny Ive device, which we've talked about at one point, I think we talked about, it might be a pen, PEN pen. [00:10:00] Well, there's a rumor coming out of, uh, of, uh, a Chinese blogger, I think, who's somebody that has an insight into manufacturing in the places that these things get manufactured.

And supposedly it is a bean shaped device. Now, again, take this with a grain of salt that goes behind your ear, which is really interesting. The idea that it would sit behind your ear. I don't know how they're gonna stick on there, but it would probably have bone conducting, you know, qualities where it could, like you would hear a voice in your head and you wouldn't hear it out loud.

Partner that Kevin with, like, there's news today that OpenAI has invested in what Sam? Sam Altman's former investment in a company called Merge Labs, which is working on brain computer interfaces. I think this is another step of like, okay, OpenAI is looking for a device that they can have this interactivity with so that on your daily drive, that's the device you choose.

You choose to go to this thing and not to Siri and not to open it up there. So we'll see how that goes.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine [00:11:00] something that replaces. AirPods. Yeah. Um, that isn't a full, like real like earbud experience, but I, I, you know, I don't, I'm, I would love to be dazzled and impressed by whatever they're dreaming up.

I would, that'd be great. I just have a feeling that like, that's, that's such a stranglehold to beat. Is the AirPod integration with iOS, like with the iPhone? No, it's, that's a, that's a really tough one to grab.

Gavin Purcell: I think it has to be something that is an automatically cloud device always on somehow. But I don't know if that's possible.

I will say, this is a weird, small thing. I was at my wife's uncle's house the other day. And he is like in his 70, 75 and I've, I learned that he has like hearing issues, right? Mm-hmm. And he was wearing a hearing aid. Have you seen like modern day hearing aid technology? What they look like? You can't even see it, which is crazy.

Like it basically hides underneath the ear lobe. And he said it's like miracle now. It's not cheap. Those ones are like, I think four or five grand, but like. It'll be interesting to see physical hardware change slightly because we've gotten so used to these things now for so long. Mm-hmm. That it's gonna be interesting to see them get smaller and different types of stuff.[00:12:00]

Kevin Pereira: I'm wondering if it's gonna be like the, the, the pill that the, the illustrations are showing and it is like a little, like sun, like oblong little. Pill that would hang behind the ear. I wonder if there is going to be a tube or something connected to something that's more in ear and maybe has like

Gavin Purcell: a camera.

You would think there has to be something, right? Yeah, I

Kevin Pereira: would think so. I mean, I haven't seen a lot of bone conducting that. That would live back there. That would also,

Gavin Purcell: how do you stick it on? Like Yeah. You gotta like spin on it each time. I don't know what's good.

Yeah,

Kevin Pereira: it's a,

Gavin Purcell: it's

Kevin Pereira: a l and stick technology.

They have a patent on it. It's just,

Gavin Purcell: let's talk about Claude Cowork. So you and I are both using Claude a lot right now, I think. Mm-hmm. Uh, in, in to do a bunch of stuff. Claude Cowork is a really interesting product. This was actually made, I dunno if you saw this story. It was made in like two weeks and basically over the course of, of the holidays, which we talked about, Claude Code and Opus 4.5 had a huge moment where everybody's like.

Cloud code is crazy. And I said, we'll get to that later. My experience with that, but co-work is basically taking some of the Claude code stuff that happens in a terminal window and [00:13:00] allowing it to happen on Anthropic site or in other places. So to you, is this a big deal watching what this is?

Kevin Pereira: No. No. I like, I, that's the thing.

Like I look, but this is no shape. I anthropic, Claude is my daily driver. I mean, I still use chat GPT for some things, but I, I mostly use Claude. I a huge fan of their product. I love it. I, I, it. It's the only way I can exist as a professional. So full stop. Big fan this though. I understand why it made the waves that it did.

Yeah. It puts a, a friendly interface. On an already powerful existing tool set. I'm using the terminal version, the command line version of Claude Code to do the things that everybody is, you know, uh, exalting, this cowork app for doing so. Yeah. You know, some of the demos they've had are like, go read these PDFs and generate a new one based off of it.

Organize my desktop for me. Yeah. Hey, my hard drive is bloated list applications that I can uninstall and help me save space. These are all great use cases, and I could [00:14:00] see again why a broader audience. Is is really grokking it because, oh, the interface now makes sense. It's visual. I can click. It's not a scary command line.

I, it doesn't surprise me that they whip this up in a week and a half for two weeks. Yeah, because it really is just like a, a, a, like a nice coat of paint on top of the already existing incredible foundation. But did, did, have you unlocked it? Did you get a chance to

Gavin Purcell: use it? Yeah, I mean, I spent, I, I actually feel similar.

I think what's interesting here, the two week thing is really interesting to me 'cause it shows you that like, hey, there is a world where if you see something getting traction, you can do something that you believe might go to a larger audience. I saw a really interesting post from a woman named Claire Vu.

I think that's her name. Who basically said, Hey, this is kind of not either side of this. It's not as powerful as Cloud code and the terminal, and it's also not going to reach like the true normie mainstream people. And I thought that was really interesting. That's kind of how I feel about it. I will say, and we're gonna get into Cloud code a little bit more when I'll talk about the website I made, like the most important thing for people to understand about cloud code is yes, it's in a terminal window and yes, there's a piece of code you have to say to start the thing and [00:15:00] install it once you're there.

It basically feels like an a chat interface, right? Yeah. And like all the, you can even drag and drop photos into it. That's right. And like you can do all sorts of stuff, so it's not that scary. And, and we'll talk more about it later, but I, I hope a lot more people try it. So overall, I think this is fine.

But Kevin, I do think one thing that's really important to talk about this, that kind of encapsulates all the stuff we just talked about is that like. Ag Agentic ai, which we've been talking about this show for multiple years, is this idea that like, you know, ais would go out and do stuff for you, and that you would be able to have them do these sorts of things like clean your computer up or build software for you.

It is now finally coming to fruition somewhat, especially if you're using something like Opus 4.5, which tends to get things right more often than not, and that feels like a big deal.

Kevin Pereira: So. This is the year. I mean, we said, you know, 2025 was the year of agents. I think 2026 is going to be the year of agentic orchestration something or

Gavin Purcell: agents that work also, let's put it that way.

Yes.

Kevin Pereira: Well, yeah, I mean, but I think part of that is the [00:16:00] orchestration, right? Yes. Part of that is, is the harnesses that keep them hammering away at a task.

Gavin Purcell: I would like you to define. Harness because there's probably a lot of people in our audience who hear that term and they're not exactly sure what that is.

Because I've heard that term. And to be honest with you, like I think I know what it is, but I want to hear what you define it as.

Kevin Pereira: I I'll say broadly, it's the tooling that, that, that commands and supports and monitors. The agents themselves. Okay. It's the software suite that would, that would wrap everything up, um, and, and keep them going.

So assigning roles, making sure roles are being hit, uh, allowing, uh, things to time out and expire to restart them. The harness, the tool set, the suite that, that, that leverages all of this intelligence and power. Again, if we don't see a new foundational model for a while, the stuff that we have is already incredibly capable.

Yes.

Gavin Purcell: Yes.

Kevin Pereira: And we're not getting to it because we're not orchestrating it. Properly with these, these harnesses if

Gavin Purcell: you want, is cloud code then running different sorts of harnesses within [00:17:00] it or is there what, how would you define a current harness that's being used? Or are you, like in your work at your day job, are you creating a harness that operates all these things?

Like how, who, who makes the harnesses? My question, other than the people that ride horses.

Kevin Pereira: They could be. That's fair. Um, yeah. The, the harnesses that I make are, they're very studded and it's a thick leather that smells like, that's not what we're

Gavin Purcell: talking about.

Kevin Pereira: Tobacco, that's not

Gavin Purcell: what we're talking about's actually, the kind you make.

Kevin Pereira: No, it's so, so I would argue that Claude Code is a harness. Yes. It's, it's the software infrastructure that is sort of wrapped around an AI model. And those models can be interchanged, but the harness. Is what's again, like allowing it to execute these tasks, right? Multi-step tasks, making sure they work reliably.

So cursor, I guess, would be a harness, in my opinion, you know? Mm-hmm. Claude Code would be a harness. Um, the Ralph Wickham, where we talked about, uh, Gastown. Yes. Uh, last week. These are all sort of, again, ag agent harnesses. We're harnessing the power of these agents. Um, if you [00:18:00] will, someone in the comments, feel free to support me.

Thumbs up, or

Gavin Purcell: take

Kevin Pereira: them down, like, click the bell or demolish me. It's fine either way.

You

Gavin Purcell: know, speaking of that though, Kev, I will say you put this in our, in our A, which did there, but it's worth talking about here. Like there's, I just went and looked at what's called Agent Craft, which is essentially a harness.

Yes, it's, but it is a harness that is built like World of Warcraft, and this is not out yet, but there's a very fun demo video, which basically even includes like Zug, Zug, like sound effects where you can watch. Your agents go around into like an area and work and like that is visually a really interesting idea to think about.

Like, okay, how do I visualize a harness and how can I make it clear for people that wanna use this stuff?

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Agent Craft is a wonderful, like, interface to a, a harness. I don't know if the, if agent craft itself. Has harnessed. Is it, is it,

Gavin Purcell: see, I told you the harness is a weird word. I've been trying to figure out what this means and it's really not that easy.

So Yes, if you're out there,

Kevin Pereira: it's a software suite. Yeah. Yes. It's, uh, but, but like, yes. The, the, the notion of like visualizing the [00:19:00] agentic workflow as a World of Warcraft, realtime strategy game, or Farmville or Star du Valley or whatever your flavor is, I'm sure someone will make a Or Slave Spice. Yeah, exactly.

Someone will make different interfaces that people, so people can wrap their heads around what the software is doing. Even, uh, open AI's, uh, new, uh, the Codex, I think it's 5.2. Is now available via API. What does this mean? I This means you can have an AI running for weeks at a time.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: To develop a piece of software for you to redesign your website to, uh, make your restaurant more appealing to a search engine, whatever your use case is.

Like these things are already running for weeks at a time now, and we are gonna see that horizon extend to probably months. Yeah. And we'll probably have our first year long task or refactoring of something major.

Gavin Purcell: There was a story that the cursor, CEO said that they actually, uh, built a browser in a week with GPT 5.2.

And that's just an example of like what it [00:20:00] means to be able to put these devices, uh, sorry, to put these models at something for a long horizon period. And I guess it did okay. Which is kind of crazy. Now, granted again, this is, we're seeing like the baby steps. If there's somebody out there called. This moment, right.

The Ms dos moment for kind of AI and AI agents and like, sure, people are starting to figure out how to do this stuff and we're not fully there yet, but it, it, it feels like a big deal.

Kevin Pereira: And I'll quickly say before we get to promoting ourselves and, and begging and pleading for engagement, the universal commerce Yes.

Protocol. Yes. Sounds so dry. The nerdiest thing of all

Gavin Purcell: time.

Kevin Pereira: I wrote about this in a

Gavin Purcell: newsletter.

Kevin Pereira: I know. It's crazy exciting though. Yes. So, you know, Google has worked with a bunch of payment processors and, um, shopping platforms basically to standardize. A universal commerce protocol, which allows AI agents to do things like, uh, if you're a, if you have an Etsy shop or a Shopify or you wanna sell something, you no longer harnesses.

If

Gavin Purcell: you're really interested in selling those studded harnesses,

Kevin Pereira: get stressed. Yes, that could

Gavin Purcell: be our [00:21:00] product, Kevin. We could haved dude

Kevin Pereira: instead making individual, uh, catalogs for, uh, here's my velvet offerings, here are my leather daddies. Here's my, instead of. Having these

Gavin Purcell: no animals involved. These are all vegan too.

Just to be

Kevin Pereira: clear. It's, it's, yeah. It's pleather daddy,

Gavin Purcell: vegan lamb pleather. Yes.

Kevin Pereira: Instead of, um, instead of making individual catalogs and having to bolt them into like 16 different providers and make sure they all play nice, and then for payment processing, instead of asking the user to. Plug in and authenticate with Apple Pay versus Google Wallet versus Stripe versus their banking provider.

Like this is one protocol that all agents can share and understand so that you just develop your site once and if it's published for this protocol, then all of the agents out there, yeah, whether you're open AI or Gemini or Anthropic or Amazon or what, they can all read your catalog. They can all understand what your shipping and fees are.

When it comes time to pay you as the end user don't have to expose your credit card. It actually creates. A unique token that can be thrown away that just says, Hey, the user [00:22:00] has said that they're willing to pay $40 for that pleather harness. Let's go make the transaction. And if it can't figure it out, I love that the protocol will surface to you, the end user, a single confirmation screen basically that says, look.

I found the product, it's here. Here's the address that we used that was not exposed to the end user or to, to the, to the, um, the seller. But here's the address that's on file. Here's the total thing. Do you wanna approve it or not? Yeah. Like it's going to theoretically reduce a lot of friction and. It may be very nerdy and weedsy at the moment, but this is the sort of stuff that pays dividends in the future where your little pill behind your ear picks up that you need a new harness.

Yes, because you said in the heat of the moment, Gavin. Oh, no. The harness done broke.

Gavin Purcell: It's all about lock in. Kevin. We gotta lock people into our harnesses as quickly as we can. We gotta get on this idea and guess what else we gotta lock in. You, the viewer, the listener. That's right. You out there have to lock into AI for humans.

You have been already. If you're first [00:23:00] time here, welcome. We're sorry about the harness talk, but uh, you can follow us on all socials. You can actually like and subscribe on YouTube for absolutely free and that helps us a ton with the algorithm there. The YouTube algorithm has been finicky as to late, but we feel good about it in general.

You can also, uh, if you really want to, you could drop us a little bit of money on Patreon, where we use that money to kind of pay for things like CLO code or other stuff to experiment on for you and experiment on ourselves. It will not go towards new harnesses, I promise you that,

Kevin Pereira: but maybe just maybe Gavin will drop a special treat, which is, uh, grafi bikinis on you and I.

Oh my

Gavin Purcell: God, over on the old picture. Not anymore, Kevin. Not anymore. What? We won't because what Rock has made bikinis illegal. This is actually, I think, a good thing just to catch you up if you miss this story. Uh, grok, which, okay, there's a couple things about this. First of all, the basic story here is that Grok was, you were able to put bikinis on people.

They were putting people, especially women were being put in circumstances where they shouldn't have been. They were allowing people to take clothes off and put [00:24:00] bikinis onto people, and this was all public because it's grok, right? So that's a big problem. They can no longer do this. There's a lot of people out there who are grok, hardcore fanboy who are like, this is not free speech.

There's also a lot of people who are saying, this might be the first time that like Elon and Grok have, have like kind of. Been aware that this is an inappropriate thing to do. The other side of this though, that I want to talk briefly about and get your thoughts on is what's interesting to me is that obviously this is possible with any of these image models in a lot of ways, right?

Like it is, yes, there are probably a couple that are gonna stop it, but I would bet that I could put a bikini on you in nano banana and all these other things. Conceivably what's happening with Grok is because these are public and because all grok replies are seen by the timeline, it is a completely different idea of how you kind of like expose this to the world at large, no pun intended.

Yeah, and I think that's what blew this up. Not to say that it's okay or not, but like I think that's what's really happening here.

Kevin Pereira: First of all, I love you trying to imply that you haven't already. A master collection. Pictures of you. [00:25:00] Photos for me. Yeah. So that's very, very sweet. I see what you, we all see what you did there.

Yes. Um, uh, that aside, I think, yes. I think the fact that it's public also, the barrier to entry was near zero. So low. Yes. You could see any photo Yes. On Twitter or x if that's what you wanna call it, and say Bikini fi this. And it would, and it didn't matter if you were a politician. Um, yeah. Or just an unwilling passerby of someone's, uh, camera lens, like it would do it.

And that was a big issue. And also people were threatening, like countries were threatening to remove.

Gavin Purcell: Yes.

Kevin Pereira: X

Gavin Purcell: England specifically said that, right? Yeah. Kiir Kiir Stemer, I think, who's the PM of England, basically said like, look, we won't allow. To be here basically.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. And people, you know, the verge very publicly called Apple and, uh, Google Cowards,

Gavin Purcell: right?

Kevin Pereira: For not removing the app from the store because it was generating some questionable material. So I, this again, having it, it's not that like technically. It's not possible. 'cause clearly it is. It was, I think, the exposure that you mentioned and the ease of use. [00:26:00] So it's probably good that they took a step back there and un and would unwind it.

But you gotta imagine that they've only enhanced that capability for our military, Gavin, because now

Gavin Purcell: Oh yeah, I know. This is, this is another crazy story. There is, by the way. Between the chosen

Kevin Pereira: one,

Gavin Purcell: there is a new GR 4.20. Of course it's 4.20 that's out there. That is rumored to do all sorts of amazing stuff.

Uh, a mag, uh, magician, a mathematician, came out and said. That it was able to prove some really interesting theorem. The bigger thing here that was crazy was that Pete, he who is our current, you know, what is it? Defense Minister of of War, department of War, uh, has basically said that ROCK is going to run the militaries AI and.

This is Kevin. I think a couple really interesting things here. One, yes, AI are going, are, are a huge part of military going forward. We've been talking about this in the show forever, but I think the interesting thing here is we all have, you can have your own thoughts on how this American, the American administration is running right now.

My personal thought is, I don't think it's running very well. Now. You're saying [00:27:00] here's this, uh, AI system that again is getting very good, is probably top of the line now or very close to state of the art in different ways. But you are giving hand, you're handing over a lot of decision making to this ai and if, if I were the Sarah Connor of the world and I were looking back on this moment, this feels like that moment where you're like, maybe this is not the best idea to turn all of this over, specifically to grok now.

No shade against grok, but grok has not proven in a lot of ways

Kevin Pereira: to No. Some shade against gr. I think that's fair. Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: fair enough. Yes.

Kevin Pereira: I think some shade against the AI that you know, was very publicly called itself Mecca Hitler. Yes, yes. And has been exposed multiple times for its dear leader, its creator, thumbing the scale.

Yes,

Gavin Purcell: yes.

Kevin Pereira: For personalized results, or to give full fabrications of things at times again. Grok is very powerful. It's very capable. It is, it is up there and on a timeline that is impressive. So [00:28:00] yeah. Okay. No shade on there. But, and, and not that Google hasn't had missteps with their AI or open ai, of course, but we cannot ignore.

That there are, there are some problematic things with XI and with their grok model. I personally would love a consortium of all of our AI models to be Yes, yes, please. In the mix. And having a say versus again, the one that, that was publicly outed as Mecca Hitler. Um, so I, you know, we knew this day would come, I just didn't know who the provider would be, and I really didn't think I would have such a huge issue with it being Elon Musk, even not that long ago.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. And I will say I did see an interview with Elon. I'm not gonna be able to find it, so just trust me that this exists. Where he's out there. Like he was asked at one point a couple weeks ago about the idea of like, is he worried about one AI taking over the world? And he actually believes, which I kind of believe now too, that there will be multiple ais in the world Yes.

That are all kind of competing about stuff. So like he's not coming at this, I don't think, from a [00:29:00] hegemonic way of saying like one will rule all. Well, like, you know. Well,

Kevin Pereira: yes, I think we will all be running a bunch of different models, but the one that I really am concerned about is the one that's in all our terrorist rooms that's running

Gavin Purcell: our

Kevin Pereira: and death robes.

Gavin Purcell: Yes, yes. The one that's running our

Kevin Pereira: is just. Yes. Yes, exactly. If that's just X'S Grok 4 20 69 upgrade.

Gavin Purcell: Yes.

Kevin Pereira: Super sick, but also let's

Gavin Purcell: scary.

Kevin Pereira: Let's know what those weights are.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. And you can go and read the Department of Wars, like kind of press release they put out about this and like. It's really important for you as a listener just to be aware of what's being said here and, and what kind of stuff is being handed over for right now.

Now again, I think hopefully cross your fingers like everybody else in the world. There's gonna be smart people involved who are like, this thing is not ready for this yet, so we're gonna not do that, but we can do this and this. It's just tricky going to your point where it's coming from a company that has had struggles in the past for that sort of thing.

For sure. Okay. Let's talk about making C cowboys in real time with big [00:30:00] mustaches. Kevin, this is a good please p cleanser, please. Let's talk about Flux two Klein.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Flex two Klein new model, uh, Klein, I think German for small. Yes.

Gavin Purcell: Oh, is that right?

Kevin Pereira: Is it? I think so. I

Gavin Purcell: dunno, you would know.

Kevin Pereira: I should probably Google that.

Why would I know Gavin? Yeah. It does mean small or little congrats to me. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's a, it's a tiny fast, powerful. Um, uh, some of it is open source, not all of it, but some of it is open source. They have a smaller model that you can get and run. Um, but it is from our, uh, I was gonna say our friends.

Gavin Purcell: Black Forest Labs are friends. I didn know them. I'm

Kevin Pereira: friendly with them.

Gavin Purcell: Hey, we've been following them for a while and we, and we exactly, definitely talked about flux for a bit.

Kevin Pereira: And like most friends, it's a one way relationship. Right. Like, they don't get back to me, but that's okay. We're still friends.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. We tweeted them. We do all sorts of stuff with them, but no, they don't, they're just too busy for us right now. They, they've going through something.

Kevin Pereira: So it's a whole uh, uh, series of models basically that are designed for, for like speed. Um, and, and. Uh, editability, if you will. Yeah, so, so giving like plain [00:31:00] English instructions to the image generator and the model understands it and spits you back out, uh, an option and I was playing with it.

Anybody can sign up for free and you get like 50 free image generation credits, um, directly with Black Forest Labs. Um, I tried it out. I tried to generate cowboys with increasingly larger mustaches, and I wanted it to be comically large to the point where they were like straining. They couldn't even hold up their own cowboy heads because their mustaches were so large and I could not get there.

With the model Gavin, I regret to inform you that despite many, many edits and I burnt through almost all 50 of my credits, the results speak for themselves. The mustaches did not get very large.

Gavin Purcell: Well, I don't know. The one you showed me was pretty big still. Were you trying to get it to be like triple the head?

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. I want his head to almost be like against the ground because the weight of their, I wanna believe in a world where like, it's almost like a Rams horns, you know? Sure.

Oh

Gavin Purcell: yeah.

Kevin Pereira: The size, size of the cowboy mustache denotes, it's

Gavin Purcell: pulling his head down. It's like neck problems at night.

Kevin Pereira: Yes, because

Gavin Purcell: he's [00:32:00] heavy.

I mean,

Kevin Pereira: you also, these cowboys can't even.

Gavin Purcell: How about mustache harnesses.com? How about that? How about we work on that world where like, what if you could have a harness for your mustache? It was so outta control. Hey, by the way, this is a real, this is a real idea. Hardware manufacturers out there, you know those guys do those crazy big mustaches.

Kevin Pereira: Yes, a hundred percent.

Gavin Purcell: What if there was a thing you could put on your face like Bain, and you wore it there for like three days and then you took it off and your mustache was shaped like, I don't know, SpongeBob.

Kevin Pereira: Oh,

Gavin Purcell: like the

Kevin Pereira: way they make square watermelon in Japan?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, that's

Kevin Pereira: exactly

Gavin Purcell: right. That's exactly right.

That's that. So then get at us. Anybody, if you're out there and you wanna make a mustache, harnesses, shout us out. So anyway, yes. You

Kevin Pereira: What if you made like, um. Like a, like, like a silicone, like a, like a material that a crock sneaker is made out of. Sure. In the shape of a mustache with little holes in it so that your mustache goes through almost like a, like a chia pet.

Gavin Purcell: Okay. It

Kevin Pereira: would grow through the holes of, yeah. So you have a silicone mustache.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Okay.

Kevin Pereira: With some stylized holes that the mustache could grow through.

Gavin Purcell: What, what, why would, what do the holes do for you in that scenario? [00:33:00]

Kevin Pereira: They're a fun accessory.

Gavin Purcell: You could just

Kevin Pereira: a fun way to reimagine the mustache still.

Yeah. There's a mustache brewing in here.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, that's okay. I got it. I got it. So anyway, you can go try this new model from Flux. Well again, you know, one of the things that's been really cool, I got access to a really powerful computer lately, and you have to understand, like if you haven't tried local open source models for a while.

There's a lot you can do with them. Now you do have to have a decent sized graphics card and some decent ram. But like, you know, between these flux models and the Quinn models and even Lt X's open source video model, like you can make a lot. And by doing them open source and local, you can sometimes do things you might not be able to do, uh, closed source.

But more importantly, you can just make a lot of stuff and you can try a lot of different things, which is very cool.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, it's, instead of putting in your email to get a bunch of credits and handing over information, you can just run the stuff, which is nice. Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: exactly. Exactly. Alright, Kevin, we should jump into this other story real quick.

That is a, a kind of insider baseball one, but it's always important to kind of think about what's going on in the AI space when it comes to like people moving from place to place. [00:34:00] Uh, open AI has essentially poached, quote unquote three people that used to work at OpenAI who went to go work at thinking machines, which if you remember is Mira Ti startup that is valued at like $10 billion.

They raised $2 billion. Uh, thinking machines has now lost three of its six founders. The original people, these three people went back, uh, to OpenAI, and this is one of those things internally in the AI kind of ecosystem, people are wondering exactly what thinking machines is kind of building and what they're doing because they have not come out with anything yet.

I think this is just one of those examples. I, I had a thought the other day where it's like, you know, in like 10 years there's probably gonna be like three companies and 200 people who work at them and they'll just be going back and forth between those three companies and the rest of us will just watch, rotating watch.

We'll just watch them. Like it is one of those interesting things. But like it might give OpenAI some juice back a little bit 'cause there's been some conversation in the tech world. That OpenAI is kind of like hurting because people have left. The big one is Barrett. Zoff is the guy's name and he was the CTO of thinking machines when he went there.[00:35:00]

He's a pretty big, he was a pretty big part of open AI's research early on and him going back might be a sign that like, Hey, OpenAI is gonna be open for business when it comes to state of the art conversations.

Kevin Pereira: What? What Did Barrett see Gavin?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, exactly. What did Barrett see? What did

Kevin Pereira: Barrett

Gavin Purcell: see?

Anyway, this is like that. It's like one of those things that like if you out there just kind of keep an eye on, but like. Opening you did the

Kevin Pereira: prediction markets on this, 'cause I know you had some hot, hot poly market action on these firings and

Gavin Purcell: hirings. I did, man. I, I was, I was all over. I was ready for, uh, ready for lot and then I lost all my money.

It's a disclaimer.

Kevin Pereira: No, that is not true. That is not true. We're not prediction market betting on ai. No, we're

Gavin Purcell: not. By the way, prediction markets have very much like taken a lot of the crypto guys and pulled them in. Although what's also interesting to me about the crypto guys that were there. A lot of them are vibe coding now.

A lot of them have turned to hell. Yeah. Like the AI world, which is fascinating. Speaking of, uh, new interesting things that people are getting into, Kevin, we have a new segment here that I'm gonna call this week's thing to watch in ai. [00:36:00] All right, Kevin, this is a really interesting story. Um. When I say this thing to watch in ai, what I mean, this week is literally a thing to watch.

One of the world's biggest streamers, uh, I think this, this character is now number four underneath the recently retiring Kai Sinat question mark. Yeah. And three other people. This is a AI driven streamer. And the name of this streamer is Neuroma. That is like the character. It is a anime looking girl. And what's interesting about this, Kevin, if you're not familiar with this out there, is that this guy who makes Neuros has created essentially a custom stack of a lot of different things, and it is in real time, replying to people and doing stuff, and they're interacting with each other.

But it has almost a million subs on Twitch, and I think this is just a million. Interesting. It has the

Kevin Pereira: record, by the way, for a sub train like that.

Gavin Purcell: Oh, is that right? I didn't realize it hit the record. That's so interesting.

Kevin Pereira: That's a sub train record. Yeah. Insane. Insane views in engagement.

Gavin Purcell: And you might go to this and you'll be like, what am I watching?

'cause it's a little bit of that sense of like, it's anime, it's kind of [00:37:00] the woo woo world. Like that sort of world of people doing this. You know, it's a little weird. There's obviously a lot of hardcore fans and you know, we don't dison any hardcore fans of anime, but there's some people out there that are a little too into neuro somal, let's just say.

But. What's cool about this in my mind, and I think everybody out there should be aware of, um, I actually learned about it 'cause Colin and Samir, who our big YouTubers kind of tweeted about it and they have a very mainstream audience, is it might just show you what the future of AI entertainment or AI assistance or AI characters are at scale.

And I think this could be, you know, we talked about that forever ago. Like there's that Black Mirror episode about the guy who's like the pig and kind of gets into the politics stuff and all of that stuff. Is bubbling up now, but this has a legitimately massive mainstream audience now, and it might be spread across the world, but a million people is nothing to sneeze at.

And I think it's worth everybody going to check it out. We'll put the links in our show notes and I, I think it's one of those things that like you should at least be aware of.

Kevin Pereira: I think I, I totally agree. Like it's, [00:38:00] and, and you by the way, could probably vibe, code your own version of this. Yeah. Maybe not to that level, but you know, you could probably get something going if you're like, oh, I kind of like that, but I wish I had my own version that accomplished X, Y, and Z.

There is a tech stack that is, that is responsible for reading the Twitch chat, responding, even controlling the games. Yeah. Like some of the times, like as a copilot, along with I think, uh, Vel. Or Videll is the creator. Um, yeah, super fascinating. Like definitely people should be aware of it because there's gonna be more of this in the future.

Um. Did you see the blood bott Gavin?

Gavin Purcell: I did see the blood bott. I thought that was pretty interesting. Although I, I have to say like my family always makes fun of me. 'cause we were watching the pit again, now the pitches came out and like I am like the QUT person in the world. I do. And just watching it go towards the vein, I was like, I don't wanna watch this.

But I did see what it did, which is very cool. Towards the vein.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. This is um, um, I dunno if it's a Vira or Vitra, but it's a company that makes this like all in one mechanized. Blood drawing robot that, you know, uses some AI and the, the, [00:39:00] the, the patient inserts a set of cartridges and then goes and puts their arm into a sleeve.

And this thing uses all sorts of ultrasonics and different wavelengths and whatever to identify veins from arteries and shields the user from the needle actually going in, which is very sweet. It's very sweet. Yeah. But it will draw all the blood and like this is like, this could be. The future of, of, you know, medicine in some capacity where you'll just go and, you know, remember the blood pressure machines that they had at like the CCBs or, oh,

Gavin Purcell: yeah.

I, I still do 'em just for fun. They're like an amusement park ride at the drugstore.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, those are, for some reason those are always coded in crusty blood and I don't know why. Because there should be, my arm should be blood draw. It's probably you. Yeah. So you could imagine a world where you're just like at the Costco waiting for your prescription drugs and your dollar 50 hot dog.

Yeah. And you go, ah, let's go ahead and get a routine blood exam. And it's, you know, this machine would draw it, potentially analyze it down the line and then give you your AI assisted readout. Like this is where, this is where we're going, friends. Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: Or there's a conspiracy driven world where these robots come around and knock on your [00:40:00] door and say, we're taking blood of everybody.

And if the blood has XY chromosome in it, you're out. Right, and I don't mean XY chromosome. That's not what I meant to say. I, yeah, IX, those are

Kevin Pereira: variables,

Gavin Purcell: by the way. X, those are variables X, Y, male or xx. Male x. Y is male, right?

Kevin Pereira: I don't know. This is like, I have, those are harness sizes for me.

Gavin Purcell: Moving on, let's talk about what, what are these pallet moving robots that you using?

Dude, just look at the, the

AI See What You Did There: video

is

Kevin Pereira: so cool if you're only getting the audio version. If you're only getting the audio version. I understand. Um, uh, some, the, the, the, this is, oh

Gavin Purcell: yeah, these are like those Amazon

Kevin Pereira: things a little Right.

Gavin Purcell: Felix?

Kevin Pereira: Units. Units, yeah. Not eunuchs. Jesus. Uh, I'll take that back. These are, uh, Phil units or, uh, Felix by a Munich base, German robotics startup.

They are little, they look like robotic skis. Yeah, that move around in tandem and can go underneath pallets, raise up and then move the pallets around. You don't need a giant, bulky, unwieldy forklift. They can move, uh, about sort of like on their own. It looks like there's someone tele operating in the video.

It's hard to see. They're at least, they're at least monitoring closely with a [00:41:00] laptop. But this thing is. Navigating a pallet around, and when you see the form factor, you go, oh, right, okay. A robot designed to move about these, these sort of standardized warehouse things that we have now. But because they're independent skis, if you will, they could attach in different ways to various.

Size of pallets. I, I just thought it was really cool. I

Gavin Purcell: think it is. Cool. You know what I think is even more cool? Imagine the workplace accidents that are gonna come from people trying to ride these things, man. Like you can imagine like,

Kevin Pereira: yeah. Or, or imagine the version that I, that, that you and I rent like a lime scooter.

Gavin Purcell: Yes.

Kevin Pereira: To just skate us about the world

Gavin Purcell: around. Honestly, what's cool about this is it just goes to show you again, like what robotics can do when you take them away from the humanoid form factor, because. Forklifts are something I've known my whole life, right? Like I think forklifts have probably invented in some version like the 19 hundreds.

Right? Or, or, or in some form, like right when cars came out. This is a new version of forklift and you don't need the bigger part of it. You can just use the little parts. [00:42:00] I think this is very cool. It gives an interesting example to like what robotics could be if we move away from the idea of things we've known

Kevin Pereira: laser skates.

Gavin Purcell: Ooh, there you go. Just

Kevin Pereira: laser skates by

Gavin Purcell: what's the harness looks like for laser skates is my question all everybody. We gotta talk about what you did this week and what I did this week in. I see what you did there.

AI See What You Did There: Sun times. Ya rolling. We found a. Then suddenly you stop and shout.

Gavin Purcell: Uh, Kevin, have you seen, uh, inflatable breaking Bad?

Kevin Pereira: The answer is yes. And would I love to press play on it? Sure. Do I want to copyright notice on YouTube? Nah,

Gavin Purcell: no, this is just a fun AI video. Somebody took a scene from Breaking Bad, which we're not gonna play the audio for, but you can see on our video here.

Or you can go watch it yourself. Uh, from the link in the show notes. [00:43:00] This is in Iny Erling, and he took, or Erling son. Uh, they took, uh, a scene from Breaking Bad and they made them into what are essentially like inflatable looking almost like robotic characters, but really like balloon characters. And it's just another example of what style transfer can do when done well.

Um, he does, there's not a tutorial on this, but I assume in part this is some sort of like Cling 2.6 or one of those tools that allow you to take a style and directly transfer it to something else.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, there is a, like a, a, a Quinn Laura. So there's a, there is a Laura that you can use to kind of inflate anything, which is fun.

Oh, fun.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: Just the slight addition of the, um, the noises, the balloon noises in that scene make it so much more enjoyable. And Gavin, I do in fact have. Uh, a little, a little present for you. Just Oh, you

Gavin Purcell: do

Kevin Pereira: Uhoh. Of course. Did we get

Gavin Purcell: inflated?

Kevin Pereira: I mean,

Gavin Purcell: oh, that's pretty good. Was that, what did you create? That was, we're looking at an image of me, my headshot, which by the way, I need to get a new headshot.

This is, you've gotta

Kevin Pereira: get a headshot, which will dovetail [00:44:00] nicely into Yeah, do nicely project Gavin,

Gavin Purcell: is this just a simple prompt for

Kevin Pereira: a dragon? I drag and dropped your headshot into the, uh, the Quinn Laura, which we'll put in our show notes. Fantastic. It's really easy to inflate anything with it, so of course if you can inflate a still, you can inflate 30 of them a second and make your own video if you'd like, so

Gavin Purcell: that is amazing.

Okay. Speaking of skiing robots, Kevin, there's a fun little robot that I saw. This is another Chinese robot that's out there, just a very cute little skiing robot. This almost looks like a. Miniature, um, not an ad act. 'cause the ad act were the four legged, uh, robots, uh, walking robots in Star Wars, but whatever the two-legged ones are, do you know remember those?

Yes. Where they kind of walked around in, in indoor, someone nerd in our audience, nerd in a good way, will say exactly what they are for us. Let me know. Um, but this is just a cool thing. It's like, wow, this robot skis now is a robot enjoying it. I don't know. Why are we doing this? I don't know. But also, it's a robot skiing down a ski slope, which is very fun to watch.

Kevin Pereira: [00:45:00] I've already like bless, bless you. Comment section, because if you just go too below, someone already used like AI to put a machine gun on the top of it and has it firing. Firing from the top as it skis down the mountain. So

Gavin Purcell: much more interesting if you're running away from me. A machine gun firing robot.

All right, Kevin, I wanna get into this. Uh. I spent some time with Claude Code, uh, this weekend. 'cause I was kind of like saying to myself, gosh, you know what? Everybody went crazy for Cloud Code. I had mostly been a Gemini and an open AI person, and I had done some work with philanthropic and, and Claude as you know, early on, and I hadn't really subscribed to it for a bit, so I resubscribed and I was like, oh, this is cool.

There's a lot of interesting stuff, especially 'cause of Opus 4.5. And then I really kind of said, okay, I'm gonna just teach myself how to do cloud codes. It's really not that hard, right? So I installed it and did it. And I'm just, say, Kevin, I have been CLA code pilled. I understand what this means now, and I'll, and I'll explain to our audience out there.

First, I basically wanted to do a pretty simple project that anybody out there can do, which is redesign a personal website. I launched, I, I got the.com for my name at some point last year and kind of [00:46:00] half-assed through a Squarespace site up. It was pretty bad and I said, Hey, this is an easy thing I can do.

What I wanna talk about is just how simple it was to do this, because I think the thing people don't understand is it is not a complicated thing to use cloud code. You do have to get into the terminal window, which anybody can do. It's not that hard. And then there's a small piece of code that you have to grab from the cloud code website and give to your terminal, and it will go and find the thing.

At that point, what you are doing is essentially typing to an LLM that you would be typing to on their website, on on cla.ai. Except you're doing it on your computer and it has access to build and access anything on your computer. And that really made a difference, right? Like, and it's a huge, huge difference.

And I think thing, thing that makes that, that I would kind of was shocked by is there's a thing called a front end plugin for cloud code, which you know about and, and talked about, but like, there's a cloud code plugin, which allows you to have like an agent essentially that understands good front end.

And if you go to gavin purcell.com, you can see what my site is right now. Like, I [00:47:00] wouldn't say like it's mind blowing, but like. It is night and day versus what, like I would build myself in something like WordPress or anything like that. And if ever I wanted to change a feature, like one of the things that was really interesting is I wanted to put like a, an AI interactive thing on there.

There's a place where you see my headshot and you can then type a prompt in and, and make something new. And I'm using the ano banana, uh, pro API. All of that is just a prompt away, and because it's built locally on your computer before you deploy it, it's super fast. It's super usable. I just found it to be something that like if you are a normal person who listens to us or you have somebody in your life who's not an expert.

Walk them through Claude Code because it is a big deal and they have to understand why it matters.

Kevin Pereira: So, uh, I I, I love that you're doing this. I love that you're Claude Pilled finely. Congrats. Welcome. We've been, we've been waiting for you. I

Gavin Purcell: understand.

Kevin Pereira: I

Gavin Purcell: understand.

Kevin Pereira: Uh, no, I, I think, I think it's phenomenal.

Uh, there might be, um, you know, you mentioned, okay, you download it, you run it in a terminal. That's [00:48:00] pretty easy to do. Yeah. And if you don't know how to do it, you can also just like ask Claude on the web. Yeah, yeah. For step by step instructions on how to get there. Um, once you're in there, you tell it, you wanna build a site, right?

You, you give it a couple images, you can drag and drop or say, Hey, here's my image. Put me up there. When you say deploy, that's a step that, that is scary to some. So did you use, uh, Vercel for this or did you Yep.

Gavin Purcell: So all of this, again, comes directly with interacting with cloud code in the same way. It would come from directing of anything else.

And it says like, Hey, you can use Versal for free, sign up for this, and I will be able to use, oh, and GitHub's another one, right? Like it helps you get the GitHub set up and all that sort of stuff. And if you don't know, if you're out there listening to this, you're like, what is GitHub? Well, GitHub is the place where a lot of the software lives online so people can access it in different ways and, and these tools can access it.

So Versal is a, for a certain level, is free to host on. So it's. Steps you through Versal. And then the other thing I even asked it was like I set up an email for it, right? Like so there's an email response to it and like I had it set me up with CloudFare flare. So there was an email forwarding, and [00:49:00] that's free.

Like all of that stuff came from Cloud Code. Now again. This is all doable in a normal chat bot window, like if you were using OpenAI or Gemini. And these are the sorts of things I've done with code before, which is like take a Gemini three output and drop it in somewhere else or drop it in Gem. But because it's all local, all of your files are stored there and you're working with stuff that's controlled by you.

That feels like the kind of magic unlock to me in a lot of ways.

Kevin Pereira: The, the speed with which you can iterate and the ability to have it go and update a single portion yes or

Gavin Purcell: yes.

Kevin Pereira: Hundreds of lines of a single file where you don't have to wait for the entire file to generate and then copy and paste and yada yada.

Like, uh, yeah. That's so, so amazing. And, and another leg up too is that you can. Take a screenshot, like there's, there's something called the playwright, MCP and Versal actually just launched their own agent, which can crawl a website, whether it's local or online, and take screenshots of it and analyze it and help, yeah, squash bugs or help with the design or whatever.

You can manually do that if you don't wanna worry about like plugging that in now you can just take a [00:50:00] screenshot of whatever it's built, annotate right on the screenshot. Hey, I want this to look different. I want different graphics here. Spit it back to the ai. I went so far with a project recently to say.

Generate the prompts that I should use with an image generation software. Yeah. That will output the right resolution and the right this and the right that. So the AI didn't have to worry about generating graphics, which it's terrible at. It gave me the prompts to give to an image generator, which I then generated the graphics and fed 'em right back into the system and it looks great.

So,

Gavin Purcell: yeah. I mean, I overall, my experience was there was a couple roadblocks just to be aware of. Like when I tried to do the Nano Banana Pro stuff, like I definitely had to work for a good 20 to 30 minutes on making sure that it was getting the right kind of prompts and that the prompts were getting cut off.

There was a bug there. The other interesting bug, which I think is something people should be aware of, is at one point at the end I was like, oh, you know, I'm gonna do this thing where people can email me, but also like, maybe I'll have a form on there. So it wanted me to download this thing from a thing called Web3 forms, which by the way, if you are own Web3 [00:51:00] forms or maybe not, no shade, I went to, I was like, I don't know if I want to like install or do this thing 'cause I'm not sure exactly what this is.

I went to it on the web. And it kind of has that look Kev, when you look at it like it looks like a vibe coated site and like didn't feel like something that like everybody's using. I could be wrong, maybe they are, but like the idea of it's called Web3 forms makes me think maybe it had something to do Web3, so I decided against that.

But like there is one little risk of like, you know, it often asks you like, are you okay with this? Are you okay with that? Like it's important every once in a while just to be sure that you understand what it's doing when it has to install stuff. Um, and I'm sure there's a lot of security people out there who are saying like, you are nowhere qualified to allow your, these internet things to write on your computer.

But it has been transformative to the kinds of things I'm working on. And I think going forward, it's one of those things where like I, I was texting back or tweeting back and forth with this guy named Joe Weisenthal, who just released this really cool product called havelock.ai that he made himself with Cloud Code.

He's the host of the Odd Lots podcast, and this is a weird tool that allows you to see the orality of a specific [00:52:00] thing. What I think is really cool about this is like, I think you're just gonna see that thing we talked about forever ago, personalized software, software that people are making for themselves.

Kevin, Russ just talked about he created a pocket, uh, a clone, like it was a thing that went away. Pocket. Yes, yes. And he created a pocket clone and he released it. I, you can make stuff now just for yourself, and it's useful and I think that's the important thing to understand.

Kevin Pereira: Totally. I made a, I vibe coded an iOS app that helped my friends and I play a dice game this weekend called Piggy, which I've, I've fallen in love with.

And so I made an app and they're like, cool, how do we get this? I'm like, oh, I, I mean, I, I can figure out how to give it to you, I guess, but I just made it. And they're like, that?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: What? And I'm like, oh, it's not that crazy. Once you start getting into it, I think a personal website is a phenomenal project Yes.

For to, to bite off because it, to your, to your point, it got you downloading Claude Code. It got you comfortable with typing to a command interface. Yeah. Right. Even though we're gonna probably get away from that, it's still a very powerful thing you can do right now. It got you using GitHub to back up your code.

Yeah. It got you. Using Vercel to [00:53:00] deploy that code on the web. And if all of this sounds very scary and foreign to people, that's the entire point that it's not that scary. It's not. It's really not. You can just have a conversation with the AI and you can do it. And in fact, I wanna encourage everybody listening to this right now to build.

A personal website for Gavin Purcell or,

Gavin Purcell: or build mustache harnesses.com. Why somebody could go out there and build mustache harnesses for us, and then we'll just

Kevin Pereira: take or, or, or a site for inflatable cowboy mustaches, which by the way, I just sent you an image of Gavin, and it's so good. Um, but

Gavin Purcell: Ooh, wow.

That is very good. You're right. Oh my God, that's

Kevin Pereira: amazing. What if anybody who wants to dip their toes in the Quad Code water could generate a website for you? Gavin? I not

Gavin Purcell: think that's what they should do. Guess why not? No. Here's the thing's, here's one thing I'll say. Don't do that. I know when I say Don't do that, we'll probably get a half a dozen people that will do that.

Mm-hmm. One thing I, one last thing about this. Um, you do have to remember there's certain things about like the c Claude may or may not do for you when you're doing it. And one thing was SEO, right? And I was like, well, you know, ISEO is important for a personal website because you, when you type your name and you want it to come up, and [00:54:00] it hasn't, like, it's not, it's still like brand new, so it's hard to find.

Sure. But I had to ask Claude to add, like, you know, make sure that this website is SEO, it hadn't thought of that ahead of time, so. There are things that you should kind of have an understanding of, of like what makes a good website or what makes a good product. Like, again, this is the thing about security, right?

Certain security features, right? I have to specifically when I did the nano Nana Pro one to like make sure that my API key is hidden and all that stuff. Now granted, I hope that it would do that on its own, but like those are the sorts of things to think about too.

Kevin Pereira: Totally. And like the, maybe we'll have to make a separate tutorial that walks people through these things.

Sure. But there are skills and plugins dedicated to things like security review to make sure you're not exposing things like keys and codes, but also like for, for example, SEO expertise. Yeah. There's plenty of it out there. And Claude can do some of that out of the box, but you can arm it with a skill for that specifically.

Yeah. And it will 10 x the output. I mean, it's just, I'm so delighted that you got into Claude Code. Gavin.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. It's

Kevin Pereira: fun's. It's

Gavin Purcell: like, again,

Kevin Pereira: it's, I do encourage anybody to [00:55:00] take your actual info though, make sure it's accurate, and build an elegant, beautiful site for Gavin. Gavin Purcell.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Why not? Right?

Inflatable. Gavin Purcell would do well, probably. He's probably gonna he'll rank above me. It'll be like, no, it's a picture I didn't want, and it's blown up like a balloon. All, everybody we see. How is that

Kevin Pereira: cowboy mustache balloon though? How

Gavin Purcell: good is that image? Oh, yeah's. Pretty good. We'll see y'all next week.

Thanks for joining us. Uh, talk to you later. Bye-bye. See

Kevin Pereira: you in the comments. Bye.