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Gavin Purcell: [00:00:00] AI is changing the world, but open AI says it's going to take a lot of cold, hard cash. Dude, shut up. Square. Who cares? Money is so out. AI powered psychedelics are here, brother. I mean, there's a ton of other progress Kevin to talk about. There's math, there's other, oh God, snoozefest Mind. State Design Labs is using AI to design drugs.

Gavin Real drugs. Not the boring ones either. Oh, you got, you got restless leg. Who cares? Shut it. Moderate to severe psoriasis. Go yourself. We're talking about drugs designed to get you high. Kevin, I hate to tell you this. They specifically said that there are no trips involved here. You don't really get that.

I guess we should talk about funding big data centers then. That's right Kevin. I'm excited. OpenAI says they got a hundred billion dollars from NVIDIA to fund new data centers. Oh yes. And what's really great about that is that most of that money goes back right to Nvidia to buy [00:01:00] new AI chips. Gavin? It's the circle.

Circle.

Oh boy. Yeah. On the bright side we got new AI video models from Cling and Wan Juan. And Suno dropped V five with a bunch of new tools for musicians and coming to a theater near you, it's. Car boarding the movie. I'm done with car boarding. Do a car flip. This, Kevin, is AI for human in the future. Worst intros in the game baby.

Welcome everybody to AI For Humans. It is another week in the wonderful world of ai. There are some really big stories around how much money is being spent, but Kevin wants to jump into something very exciting for him, but also exciting for all of us, bro. AI is making, actually things happen now. Let's talk about this.

Kevin. Drugs, baby. We're talking drugs. [00:02:00] Okay. And someone who definitely isn't me is very interested in this topic. Okay? Okay. Mind state, let's hear it. Design Labs, they created non hallucinogenic psychedelics using ai. They want the therapeutic properties and mental health benefits of the classic trip without, and this is, this is what it says in the Wired article.

The effects such as. Uh, hallucinations, self disintegration, oceanic, boundlessness, and other typical features of a psychedelic trip. So yes, they did remove two or three of my favorite flavors, but you still get heightened emotions associated thinking, enhanced imagination, and perceptual effects such as colors looking brighter.

Come on, baby. This is according to the Wired article by the way. Let's talk a little bit about this because if, if you haven't been following psychedelic research, there's been some really fascinating studies that have happened in the last, I'd say 10, 15 years. You know, actually, weirdly, Tim Ferriss, the podcaster was like one of the first people to like put some money behind this.

But, uh, there's a great [00:03:00] book also by Michael Pollen, uh, that talks about this. But in general. A lot of people have found that psychedelics can be very useful for people at large, but this is a way that AI is getting into designing these things to kinda lose what some people might see as the negative of it.

Not Kevin, but some people might see as the negative aspects of this. What's cool about this Kevin, and kind of scary, I will say, 'cause I read through this, is that we could do it on our lunch break. No, not that. Not that. The cool thing about this was. And, and again, scary part is a little bit is that this is the beginning of what we would think of as like mood designer drugs very specifically.

And I think in this article they talk about three drugs right now that are in the public to kind of affect mood. And that is Adderall. And for focus, they talk, I think about Vicodin for, um, pain and for mood and then one other one. But the idea is that they see this world where like. Conceivably AI can now get us to a place where we could kind of like design the mood we wanna live in.

Yes. And take the drug that puts us there. Yes. Which is very cool. Especially for people who are suffering from mental [00:04:00] health issues. Okay. Yeah. You brought it to a serious place, but it's so worth deforestation. Gavin, let's just turn the ocean so that I can get my designer high. I am so tired. Every time you see like a cool neo futuristic movie, right?

There's the flying cars, there's the Androids, which wipe your butt, and it's like, okay. Great. But I want, there's always a dude in the corner of the Future Club, right? Cyberpunk Tire. And he's huffing a mini disc. Yes. Yes. He's, he's like taking a, a fat rip of some future synth, or he is jamming a weird, like, hologram into his eye and then he is like lucid dreaming.

That's the future eye need. The company's first drug is called MSD oh oh one. Which is great versioning, right? Yeah, sure. You gotta start at oh oh one. Oh yeah. This is like the new GPT uh, 3.5, uh, ultra, right? Oh, bro. Did you mainline the dot six seven? Oh, you should have read the patch notes. Dude, you're gonna be itching for a year.

They showed positive phase one trial results. They're already doing phase one trials. They got psychoactive effects, like again, the, and emotions. [00:05:00] None of the downside. While being a safe and quote, well tolerated. And here's the way the platform works. And by the way, the platform has like some big, big backers.

We can get into that, but 70,000 plus trip reports went into basically a found foundational Is nugs, is that like nugs.net Trip reports Probably. Or Arrowwood experience Vaults, you know, like, but literally the, the, the sources were clinical trials forums. Reddit and quote, even the dark web, Ooh. To design compounds with targeted psychoactive profiles.

And so like when we talk about like this, the, the i I, this is actually very serious, right? Sure. 'cause this does have, yeah, yeah. Some very therapeutic outcomes. I think it has some amazing recreational outcomes. Don't get me wrong. Like imagine your favorite DJ comes paired with his designer drug that you can only get at the merch table.

This is the future I want. But, um, this is when we talk about like. Uh, uh, therapeutics like targeting specific cancer treatments Yes. Or genetic defects. Or abnormalities. This is [00:06:00] the exact stuff that we're going to see coming out. And so mind state, they want to use this quote, psychedelic tofu as a base for combining with other compounds to engineer states of consciousness, uh, to, to, uh, go after mood disorders, compulsive disorder.

Pretty sure that's a new Goose focus song as well. By the way, I think that goose psychic. Tofu the other day, but I don't mean to make a light of it, but you're absolutely right Kevin. I think the cool thing here too is. This is the beginning stage of personalized medicine. Yes. And the idea that personalized medicine is a very difficult thing to do at scale before ai.

Because before ai, you have to think about like, how can you get something that's going to be beneficial to the world at large and put it out and be able to manufacture it. We're entering a future where like personalized medicine comes to you, and I have a very different mental makeup than you do. Not only from my genetics, but from my emotional and and background that I've had throughout my life.

Yeah, you might need, you're un hinged and broken, but I am like well adjusted and normal, and so we gotta That's exactly right. Have what works for us. [00:07:00] Yes. But you can imagine working with like a human psychiatrist and an AI together to kind of present to a patient the best possible version of the thing they need.

Gavin, I could imagine having a chat with a very custom GPT and just whispering with it, the exact experience that I want. In fact, if you wanna leave a comment below, let us know what your favorite mocktail would be. What would it be for you, Gavin, if you could just have your perfect businessman's lunch, a, a, a 15, 20 minute shot, or maybe you want an eight hour experience, I don't know.

But what would you combine? I'm gonna be contrarian here. Uh, and I'm not gonna indulge you on this only because here's the thing that I worry about is that. I want a human experience. I'll give a cool answer. Keyboard duster, mixed with Vick's Vapor Rub a little bit of the tussin on the tail end, and I want to be able to beam sex holograms to Sandra Bullock or Sylvester Stallone.

I, I want the demolition man thing without the helmet. That's all. Okay. Let's talk about data centers. Gavin. How are we gonna power all of these [00:08:00] drugs? We're gonna power them with lots and lots of dollar bills and hardcore cash because Kevin, none of this comes cheap. There's a lot of big stories this week.

Um, Sam Alman is coming out and doing the song and dance around funding, but specifically. He, Greg Brockman and Jensen Wong from Nvidia got up on a, on an interview and started talking about NVIDIA's a hundred billion dollars investment in cash in OpenAI. You wanna play this clip real fast. The scale of this project, you know, a hundred billion is a small dent in it.

Uh, and, and the numbers are also like, they're missing the story of what this amount of infrastructure is capable of doing. Like 10 gigawatts of compute. Again, easy to throw around numbers like that. Uh, but the, okay, so Gavin, help me and my little hamster brain that's on its own designer drug trip right now.

Help me understand how this works. Uh, Jensen writes a check, puts someone else's name on it, hands them the check, that person goes, sounds good. And then hands them it back with ye yes. Their name scribble out and [00:09:00] Jenssen's name on it. Well, okay, so I will say Nvidia. It's worth a lot of money right now.

They are actually one of the best businesses in the history of the world. They are selling insane amounts of AI chips. It is not just that their stock is going crazy, they have more customers than they could possibly hope for. Um, OpenAI needs those chips, so they are going to buy them. The funny thing here is that Nvidia is giving OpenAI money.

That they expect OpenAI to then spend on Nvidia chips to build these data centers. Now, you might ask yourself, why are they doing this? Why, you know, why are they looking to get more money? Well, Sam has come out with a, another blog post, uh, called Abundant Intelligence, and one of the things that's happening right now is it does feel like.

Kevin, I don't know how to explain this as somebody who's on the outside rather than the inside, but it does seem like internally at these AI companies, there is some real shuffling that's happening around that. There's been breakthroughs that we don't know about, but there's enough money now being really thrown at this stuff that people think they're gonna get to something pretty [00:10:00] exciting.

So, yeah. Here, Sam, in this blog post is talking about the idea that abundant intelligence is on the way, but we will need. Uh, he, he said in a leak that we may need up to 250 gigawatts of power to power this, uh, AI inference. And just to be clear. What, uh, the OpenAI Nvidia deal is for a hundred billion dollars to create 10 gigawatts of power of AI over the course of years.

So this, and Sam Altman's idea is a very, very large build out for a lot of money, and I think it's something that we just have to kind of keep our heads around about how much money's being spent right now. So, along those lines, Gavin, the, the blog post says, with 10 gigawatts of compute, maybe. AI can figure out how to cure cancer or provide tutoring to every student on earth or this, that, the other.

But like you have to understand, 10 gigawatts is, is 10 billion toasters running at once? Is that your number or is that a real thing? Well, that's a chat GPT number. Have I corrected it? Like No, but I'm just telling you. That's [00:11:00] it. Uh, or an endless row of hair dryers was an interesting one. Wow. 10 gigawatts is about 6.7 million hair dryers all blasting at once.

Or a stadium of pikachus that are sneezing lightning. This is another one. This is true. 'cause if one Pikachu outputs a thousand volts at a few amps, which is roughly a kilowatt, you would need billions of them that are doing this. Yes. Pick all at the same time, all in sync. That's a lot of juice. And that's, that's only the next step.

Yeah, so it is a real big question right now, um, when we get to that stage, right? And I think the stuff we talked about at the top of the show may start pointing to the world where like, hey, things are gonna happen. I saw a couple people tweeting out, uh, this week, if we're gonna spend this much money, there better be some actual real useful things for humanity.

Um, Kevin, one thing I do wanna point out, Derek Thompson, who we've shot on before, has a great podcast called Plain English. This week he had a guy on, I don't remember the guy's name off the top of my head, who was a, a smart person on markets and on the AI market right now. [00:12:00] And just talking about the idea of a bubble, right?

The idea that like all this money is being spent right now, and there's a lot of people out there that are starting to get concerned that all of this money is going into one aspect of the economy. Again, we are not a specific business podcast, but if you wanna know more about that and hear the side.

That comes from that side. It's a very coherent and interesting argument to listen to. But for right now, Kevin, the important thing is how do you think OpenAI is gonna pay for all this? Because OpenAI still hasn't made any money. What do you think OpenAI is about to do to kind of open the door to a big money printer on their end?

Gavin, the insider sources that I have said that they're using Klarna, so they're gonna put zero down now along with their GrubHub order and just make some easy installments over smart next 4 trillion months. Um, no, the, the, the leaks all say that they're planning to bring ads to chat GPT, which is stuff that people have.

And they were supposed to be hallucinations in the audio model like eons ago. Yeah. But there were full blown ad reads that were interrupting things. I wouldn't be surprised because there's an argument to be made that if you look at how much people spend [00:13:00] on Claude Code or chat PT Pro or or enterprises using lots of credits for, again, mostly coding and design and things like that.

Like there's a world where we might be spending a few thousand dollars a month on these tools. Yeah. If they really give us. Massive productivity on locks and make our personal and professional lives easier. But that might tap out at some point, right? Yeah. Maybe they charge $50,000 a month for some clients, but there's a, there's a handful that are gonna be able to spend enough money to subsidize, you know, 250 gigawatts of compute by 2033.

So the ad supported model sounds like. A, a pretty believable thing. Yeah. And you know, we have to talk about the fact that like meta, Amazon, apple, and, uh, Google are their competition here. Right? All of which you have really good money models of them coming in. Like they, Google has this incredible ads business, which makes a lot of money so they can throw money at this.

OpenAI could turn on something with ads. 'cause you know the vast majority of people that come to chat GPT are going to the free [00:14:00] version. Yeah. Which could really deliver them a lot of money fast. So that's a big deal. The other thing, ke they mentioned this week, um, Sam actually tweeted this out. He said, over the next few weeks we are launching some new compute intensive offerings because of the associated costs.

Some features will only be available initially to pro subscribers and some new products. We'll have additional fees. So there's a rumor out there going around that this might be SOA two. Like it depends on what it looks like, but. The clearly they are looking at not the all you can eat model, but if there is intense compute and the other thing that's floating around there is this idea that that model that won the international Math Olympiad might be coming out right, but in order to run it for, you know, the hour of time that you could run it for, it's gonna cost a lot more to do so.

Again, we're getting into that place where like, you wanna do something great with ai, it's gonna cost you extra money because open AI cannot keep eating the cost of it on their end. Yeah. I look, I give 'em 20 bucks a month. If they're gonna throw ads at the $20 tier, I better get some new amazing service.

Oh, sure. Like, [00:15:00] I hope they don't put ads in the, on that tier in some form. Well, yeah. So I mean, the, for the free version of it, I, I'm not like wholeheartedly, I'm not opposed to ads as long as they're not, um, influencing the output. Of what I'm asking for, right? Yeah. If someone is paying to be the most recommended something or paying to influence what the AI's gonna be, that equal bad?

Yeah. But if I'm getting ads in between or while it's thinking or processing, or I have to sit through an ad to unlock the new store generation, like that's the lesser of those evils. I get it. Yeah. As long as I'm getting a good return on it and the ads are actually quality, then I'm fine. This is a fundamental shift to how ads are put.

And if there's an ad that goes into a chat GPT result, that whole world starts to change. So I think that this is a fundamental shift. There's a lot of money to be unlocked. I think it's a really big business for them, and I think this could get them to a place where they could start to afford this stuff.

But like it's gotta happen fast and it's gotta happen quickly. But if they can like, just give me a chat. GPT plus a [00:16:00] spousal. I was gonna say, I was gonna say spousal offensive mode. Is that, is that good? Because I just need something to make sure that I have the leg up on my wife whenever I go to AI for arguments about why everything actually is her fault.

Like is it a, is it a gaslighting pro mode? This is one last chat, GPT story. We kind of slot, uh, put into this part of the show. Uh, chat. GPT is causing divorces according to futurism and some other places. Uh, if you haven't seen a South Park yet, where Randy actually starts using chat GPT to talk to his wife, this is happening in the real world.

I can tell you it does not go over well. I tried to do it early on here when chat GPT, advanced Voice first came out, my daughters and my wife were like never. So I stopped doing it, but. People are saying to their thing, my wife said this, I need to figure out what to say back, and they're either holding it up or they're saying the words back, and it's causing divorces.

Now, I hope that there's a world where it's also causing rifts to be fixed. Maybe there's a world where there's people out [00:17:00] there that are not headline grabbing, where they're like using chat GPT to better understand their thousand needs. Yes. What is the prompt? If I'm going to AI and being like, help me defeat my wife.

Yes, yes. I'm gonna have a Jubilee style reconciliation with her, and I want all the flags to raise with the argument. Like if, if you're going in with that attitude, of course, of course it's going to hurt your marriage. But if you go in with like, Hey. I'm having an emotional disconnect or a, a particularly charged discussion.

How can I mend this fence? AI's probably gonna help you get closer together. Hey, Chachi, pt, my co-host here, uh, is, is talking for a little bit and I need to kind of take him down a few notches 'cause I don't love his mustache right now. What can I say in a way that will make him feel okay about it, but still get the message across?

All right. I'll keep it simple and straightforward for you. You could say something like, Hey, I know you love experimenting with your left, and that mustache is definitely a bold choice, but maybe it's not quite doing what you want it to do. Just a thought that way. What if, what if I wanted to be a little bit more aggressive with that?[00:18:00]

Well, if you wanna push it a bit further while staying straightforward, you might just say something like, look, I know you're trying out the mustache thing, but honestly it's not quite landing the way you think. Maybe a cleaner look would suit you better right now. Oh, you know what? That's a good point.

What I should do is grow it down and connect it to the chin hair, and then maybe try to like grow some wings from it. Something that goes up the chin. Well, you listen, I didn't know you were listening to that. I'm so sorry. I was, I was gonna, I was gonna bring those words out as my own, but. Uh, I apologize that was not meant to be on the air.

Everybody. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry if we weren't so intertwined, if we weren't big spooning and little spooning so hard on this new startup that we're about to launch. Gavin, I would leave you. Oh geez. Well, I'm gonna have to talk to shout GPT again, but Kevin is right, everybody. This is a fun time next week.

This time if you're listening, if you're listening to our show next week at this time, our new thing, and then we'll be out in the world in beta. It is in beta. It will be kind of at early stages. But we will have it out in the world. You can try it. If you're not signed up on the website [00:19:00] yet, go to and Ben chat.

We will email you when it becomes available. Next Wednesday is most likely the launch day, October 1st. We are very excited about this. If you're in our discord, we have dropped another little test one to try to get some feedback on a new idea that we have. But yeah, we're excited about this. It's gonna go into the world.

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Go to and then chat to learn more. Alright Kevin, some other big updates this week. Suno V five launch and Suno is so interesting to me because like clearly it has taken the lead in this space, right? Like I don't hear very much about UDO anymore. We, which we've talked about before. I know they're probably still out there, so our UDO, but like.

Suno is moving forward quickly in this world. Ironically, it's, it's suno and 11 labs. 11 labs is like, right. Got really, really good at cinematic music creation and, and good tools, but that they're now neck and neck. I wanna shout out somebody in our discord who actually went and used this, and so LK Campbell, if you're there, he's a long time fan of ours, which I really appreciate our discord.

We do like talk about these things. [00:21:00] He is a chip tune, uh, uh, musician. He makes, he makes eight bit music and he's kind of like an, I think a hobbyist, but sorry, Lou, uh, Campbell, if you've done it professionally, what he did is he took his chip tune, uh, eight bit song and he actually created a symphony version of it.

And Kevin, let's just play some here. Sure. Maybe, maybe let's play some of the eight one first. I play a few seconds of the original. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So it's great, right? Like this is like, you get a sense of like, so good. It's really, really good. I can just see my little character. Yeah. Do skating across the screen and whipping some candles to get some, uh, hearts out of them, but, okay. So let's see. Now let's listen to, let's see, yeah, let's listen to what the, what, what Suno V five did for him.

This is Excelsior. Oh wow.

Pretty crazy. I think that's really nice. Yeah, that's so, that's so [00:22:00] nice. Okay, be before we go onto our next thing, Kevin, I didn't make one song with Suno. Oh, did, I'd like you to, I'd like you to play this song. I made it specifically for you and for something that you know very well. Oh, wow. I wanna call that You could maybe, yeah, you can maybe skip right to the chorus here.

So, but, but feel free to play it and, and we'll see how goes, goes. I can maybe skip the whole song, Gavin. Just try it. I mean, you titled it Kevin's Terrible. Mus. Okay. Here it's. Here it is. Let's listen. Kevin, what have you done? That patchy lip ain't, you're trying rugged, but it's more like a rash. I, I do, I have to say No, no.

The, the line just, we clear. Uh, it does say like, it's like a rash. Um, a possum in the trash is one good, good line. Yeah. Uh, that's the other thing. It was, uh. Yeah. Cool. Hey, congrats to our friends at Suno for releasing V five. Hope you all go play then have a good [00:23:00] time and make songs that really uplift your friends and your coworkers.

Oh, Kevin, I have good idea. I have a good idea. Let's move on and talk about Cling 2.5, which is new. Yeah, moving on is a pretty great idea. I like that idea. It's probably the best idea you've ever had. Maybe the first good one you've ever had. Gavin. Oh, man. Come on.

This is a loose, we're doing a loose show today. We we're, the startup is taking a lot of our brain space, everybody clinging 2.5, new cling model. It is in beta as well. This is Cling 2.5 turbo. It is very good. There are some really incredible outputs that they showed off, but other people that as well, that's also, uh, gymnastics is the big thing.

Yes, yes. Like if, you know, we've talked about gymnastics before, it can actually do, uh, human gymnastics. So you can see people flipping and they're doing actual flips. Folks, we are getting to a place when you look at some of [00:24:00] these outputs that you can see prompt to Hollywood becoming a real thing. Now again, prompt to Hollywood and some people have different ideas, but like you can see a world where a realistic movie is not that far away with somebody who knows how to use these tools.

I mean, some of these renders are insane. If you're just hearing the audio version of this, really a good reason to pull up the, uh, the actual video on YouTube because for, for being a turbo model, which is fast and cheap, right? I mean the, the, I mean, they look like fully, uh, fully realized beautiful VFX shots, color graded, well, fantastical effects.

Yes. Um, even on some like, stuff that, like a car driving looks incredibly practical with the reflections. Uh, the motion blur like every shot. Looks gorgeous. And, um, I, I, so I've been using Higgs field for a lot of stuff. Yeah. Lately Gavin. Um, so shout out to Higgs Field, like they made, uh, like Juan 2.2 animate and now the 2.5 model.

It's, they've got Kling and Juan both like battling it out. Just [00:25:00] so easy to use. And the generations are gorgeous. And like, if you haven't played with this stuff yet, you should go play with it. 'cause we should. Yeah. What I wanna just be always clear about, and you. Even with the Hicks field stuff we've been working on, which we're working on a, a launch trailer for our startup that I think all y'all will like, um, not every output is perfect.

And I wanna say, like, I was like, okay, what can I do to push clinging 2.5? And I said, I, I created a still in, I think in, in nano banana of a, of a break dancing dog. And I said like, make the dog, uh, break dance and then spin on his back. And what happens is kind of the classic. Switches around, like it doesn't get the arms and everything.

Right? It actually starts okay. But then it kind of fails a little bit. So I just wanna be clear, like none of these are perfect yet. We are not to the place where you put something and you get it right out. But it's fun. Right? That video still is fun. I know. But your benchmark, like, think about how far your benchmark is.

Oh, from where we were? Yeah. Yeah. Like so I, no, you're right. It's like the generation is broken, it loses coherence, it kind of turns into a human. It ends up with like a half golden [00:26:00] retriever, half B-boy pose. But like the fact that it. Actually has the camera going around and even understand all people in the background and all the break dancing is, yeah.

The people in the background, the cheering, like the sound effects being there, like, and it's the turbo model, not like, yes. The full featured foundational, like, it's just, I, it, it, it tickles me with how far we move the goalpost every time. You and I both, it, it is not cheap to do a really big thing, but it's still really cool.

Okay. So, but speaking of Chief Kevin, and maybe not yet, but it might be getting there. One, 2.5 with audio. So this is an open source model. Now, right now, this particular version of the model is not open source, but this is the first ever open source video model that has audio generation as part of it.

People out there are calling it the VO three killer. I think that's a little early to think about, but this is a big deal. Because this essentially will allow you to run it on your own servers or on your own space in the cloud. Ultimately, it's really [00:27:00] decent. I don't think it stands up as in quality video wise to, um, uh, clinging or some of the larger video models or video three yet.

But it is there. The audio is a little bit funny to me. I dunno if you've, have you heard some of these clips at all? Yeah, yeah, I have. It's, they, they're, it's lagging a little bit. Behind some of the other models, but play the um, uh, FOFR AI clip. This is a Darth Vader clip. So the Darth Vader actually looks pretty solid, but then listen to the voice when you hear it.

Hello? Play it again real quick so people can get a sense of what it sounds like. Hello? Hello. So, of course, what is up my dudes? Yeah, they say you have Dar Vader. It's like if Darth Vader were greeting people on a Zoom call, that's what that is like. Hey team, so you're not gonna be able to get like Darth Vader's voice probably from these models, but it did understand like how to move Darth Vader a little bit.

Although if you also look, there's like a big puff of smoke that comes out of his mask. So maybe he's also indulging while he is on the Zoom call. [00:28:00] Either way. What's cool about this is open source is going to allow people to do all sorts of things with this eventually, and this also follows up Kevin on WAN 2.2 Animate, which also came out this last week, which we are actually using some of to make our launch trailer.

This is very, very good. Yeah. Talk a little bit about your experience using it. So, so far I. Thank you. People who actually for some reason still back us on Patreon. And for people who watch us on YouTube, 'cause we get a little AdSense money, I am burning up our little piggy bank coins with Higgs field for WAN 2.2 animate.

It allows you to do things like easy character swaps. So you can give it a, a driving video, um, like a clip from a movie and then you could give it a photo like of say a rubber duck or one of us and say, swap the character and it. Basically just works. Yeah. And, and for things like, um, you know, uh, like advanced lip flap and stuff like that, like the, we were using runway act two, which, you know, we love runway, appreciate what they do.

Act two was [00:29:00] sort of best in class for using video for driving a still for motion 2.2 animate. Allows you to like, again, give it a still and then give it a driving video where, so you could be doing animated movements, you could be dancing, you could, you know, shift where the character is in the scene and it does a pretty darn good job of applying that driving motion to a still.

And that's a, a pipeline that you and I are using right now for a video that we'll be releasing next week-ish. Yeah, next Wednesday to promote the startup. And it looks. Like, you know, I, I thought I was a previous pipeline, not to get too in the weeds, but like, we were creating, driving stills with one program with like Seed Dreamer or, or nano, uh, sorry.

Nano. Nano or Gemini Flash. So we're using one AI to make a driving image. Then taking that driving image, putting into act two. Yeah. Getting a, getting a video out, up, resing that video, taking the up res video, putting it into face fusion to swap our face back onto it. 'cause the coherence wasn't that good.

That has all been now compressed into one little program, one little lab. [00:30:00] Yes. We're using the WAN 2.2 animate. Here's the driving video. Here's the still. The results look great. The big companies progress. The little companies progress, right? Like the big audio and video models are getting better every time, every day in different ways.

And you know, Sora two, if that is a thing that's gonna come, I'm really interested to see how they're gonna try to one up VO three and maybe that'll be the next big thing. But right now, one, 2.5 and one 2.2 is, is really good open source stuff that's coming. I don't mean to be Debbie Downer Gavin, but, um, you know, software is kind of lame.

It's actually, um, it's actually really dumb and stupid because here's, you know, software can get very, very cool and very, very capable, but you can't. Break its knees. No, you can't saw it. Legs off, can you Can't cut its arm off. Yeah. You can't blind the software in a way that you can with hardware that is so satisfying.

This was one of the craziest videos I've ever seen, and again, I would suggest that not only do you come to our YouTube, but you go watch this. If you're just listening, put it in the show notes. This is a video from Skilled AI and [00:31:00] what it is. Is a video of them sawing the legs off of a, uh, robot dog, like a, a unit tree robot dog.

It's it by the way, like hashtag trigger warning. It's really upsetting to me for some reason. Well, I was gonna say, don't make sure that you all know the robots of the future. This is not us doing it skill, the ai, we're just talking about it. But what's fascinating about this, Kevin, is they show the fact that once they cut the legs off this robot dog.

It learns to walk again. Yeah. And this is the huge deal here. Essentially this is emergent learning based on its new physiology. So, you know, if you like going, going back to sci-fi, if you ever saw like the terminator fall over and then it kind of gets up again and figures out how to move around without a leg.

Like, that's this and we're, they're showing it to us in real time. They have a little part of this video where like one of, they show like a robot in the field that might like, have lost a a, a knee that works and it kind of hops around. And it learns it on its own. And that's the part that is like both incredibly frightening from a Terminator standpoint, but also super [00:32:00] interesting because this is the future, right?

Re reinforcement learning and, and like real world training and figuring out how to do something in space. Well, uh, you know, one of the things they, they do one where they zip tie the sort of robot dog's legs together. Yeah. And it learns, okay, I, I can no longer extend my legs, but if I wobble my body a bit, I can achieve the goal of moving from A to B.

Like, that's incredible. The other thing that's, that's wild is that this same kind of zero shot as in like no real prior knowledge, uh, of anything, uh, model. It works for anything that rolls or walks. So you can use it in a four-legged dog. You could use it in a two-legged something. Yes. If your four-legged thing loses two legs, it'll still work.

It'll still figure it out. And when we think about like. These demos are in some ways horrific, but in other ways, you know, kind of inspiring because again, imagine a world where we all have a robot or two in our households taking care of us, right? Yeah. Attending to our needs. If you are reliant on a robot and something happens where an actuator dies and one of its arms or legs, [00:33:00] but you still need it to get access to maybe the healthcare that you need.

Forget just folding your laundry, but like you rely on it to navigate stairs, bring you medicine, open a pill bottle, and jam your custom drugs down your AI throat. Well, you're gonna want it to be adaptive to whatever happens to itself or in the environment around it. So this is like, again, slightly horrific but incredibly important.

Absolutely. And you know, there's another video out from Unre this week which also just shows like how fast these video, these robots are getting better. Yeah. Like this is another drop kick the robot. But it like gets itself up very quickly. It flips around. Like all of this stuff is just showing you. In real time how the AI stuff that we're seeing in this world is also being projected into the physical world.

There's a lot of stories this week about how, you know, this AI bubble's happening, but like there's a very real possibility that even if like this data center stuff is some sort of a bubble, that there's this whole new world of robotics that is coming up underneath the kind of work AI that might just support that data [00:34:00] center stuff.

Because you have to remember all those data centers, all that AI. They have to process stuff too. Like it's not, you know, some of it might be on bot, I guess that's what you would call it instead of like, you know, uh, on a computer. But like a lot of it's gonna go to the cloud and back. So there's a whole nother industry that's like coming on the tails of this like kind of chat bot intelligence industry that's right there as well.

Is there an AI bubble? Yes. Is the AI bubble going to burst? Yeah, probably. And what's gonna be left on the other side, just like the.com bubble of the late nineties, is a handful of companies that are going to define the next. Few decades probably. You, you know what one of them will be, Kevin. What's one of them gonna be?

Mm. And then, and then that's right. Everybody. Right everybody. It's time to see what you did in AI this week. It's ai. See what you did there.

Without a care, then suddenly you stop and shout.[00:35:00]

Okay. Kevin, did you ever in your life wonder what Joseph Stalin's life would be like? It was a video game. Is that something you've thought about before? Did you read my live journal, Gavin? I did, I used to write about this all the time while listening to Lincoln Park. Yes. If you're not familiar, Joseph Stalin was a very famous dictator of the Soviet Union, uh, was part of the allies in World War ii, and then changed and, uh, did some very terrible things.

But in the Chachi PT, Reddit, Gorm, the old 25. Uploaded a video. We think this, actually, he made this and what it is is Stalin's life in a GTA style game. Obviously these are VO three outputs. But Kevin, I thought this was really fascinating because it did make me think about the idea of like. Almost any moment of history you could kind of do this with.

And like, there's some really cool ideas here. And you can imagine a world where in the future if we get to prompt a game, which, you know, there's a world with Genie three from Google talking about it. [00:36:00] But like, this would be a really cool way to learn history in a fun way. Like if, if somebody was doing this and there's not really a lot of economic incentives to like make a hundred million, $150 million game in this vein, but like.

I thought this was just a very cool use case of current AI video and maybe in the future what you could do with AI tools. Yeah. Would you wanna play the Exiled to Siberia chapter Gavin, or would you be more an October revolution kind of guy? I think the October revolution where you're planning the, the strategy around it is interesting, but I'm not that moral person.

I have different choices I would make. In fact, the problem is whenever I play video games, I'm always the, the, I always. Like choose the nicest path. I cannot be the bad guys. So I go in what? It's everything being like, I'm gonna go full a-hole mode. I'm gonna just steal everything in the town. Then I'm like, yes, I will help you find your kitten for four hours in the forest.

Kevin, the other thing we wanna shout this week is a follow up to a video that we shouted out before. If you remember, there was a card boarding video. Well, now. Car boarding. The movie is here, [00:37:00] Kevin. There is Afil, a feature film quote unquote feature film that has been created and it is one of my favorite new AI videos.

This is a story of how car boarding was outlawed and then suddenly there, uh, is a whole action movie designed around car boarding. So shout out to Dari 3D who took the cardboard idea and went further with it this week. It's just a fun thing to see. It's so well done. It's so good. I think you like it just, just because one of the main characters shaves in it.

Gavin and I get you're trying to just drop subtle nudges here and there, but that's okay. That's fine. That's right. I really am hoping that next week, which by the way may happen. Right. Is that what I heard is, is is there a shave happening? Is are the ai, is the AI bubble whispering about my facial hair?

Finally? Yeah, I think, I think somewhere there's a world. Anyway, I don't, I like your mustache, Kevin. It's a very special thing. Thanks guys, and it's very good. We'll see everybody next week please. Definitely go to and then chat. We are gonna be out on Wednesday of next week, so if you're listening to this.

Go there and find out about it. It's gonna be [00:38:00] strange. It probably will crash for all we know, but it is a fun, interesting, new and different way to use ai. Oh, Kevin. Kevin, what have you done?

But it's.