Udio’s Incredible Music Tool, Adobe’s Big AI Push & Are All Rappers Just AIs Now?

AI4H053 - KP Cutdown
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Gavin: [00:00:00] Welcome. Welcome. Welcome everybody. We are here. It is AI for humans. This is your guide to the wonderful wild world of generative AI.

Gavin: All of the tools, news, and all the other fun stuff in the AI world. I'm here with Kevin Pereira. Kevin, how are you? I'm 

AI4H053_a: well. 

AI4H053_a: You know 

AI4H053_a: that. We've been 

AI4H053_a: hanging out 

AI4H053_a: all 

AI4H053_a: morning.

Gavin: But we're in the same place again, everybody. If you are listening to this, you're hearing a relatively normal show, except for my audio might be worse.

Gavin: Sorry about that. But we are together again, in person. We are at an event that is at an undisclosed people about it maybe later on, but for right now, We're here. We're in person and we're not going to punch each other. We've already made that deal.

AI4H053_a: And it's not that clandestine, by the way, there's no like discussion of UAPs or Yetis. It is the

Gavin: Alban is not here. This is not that we are not at the Illuminati of the AI world. So we are in a much

AI4H053_a: we're still excited to talk about all things and everything's AI with you. And we have quite a show. , 

AI4H053_a: in fact, 

AI4H053_a: on the show today, , A 

AI4H053_a: just 

AI4H053_a: released AI wearable 

AI4H053_a: is getting some rather inhumane [00:01:00] treatment 

AI4H053_a: from 

AI4H053_a: journalists,

AI4H053_a: Yeah, We're 

AI4H053_a: gonna round up 

AI4H053_a: all the reviews, we're gonna let you know how the company is handling the latest drama, and we'll, uh, I guess we'll take a victory lap, because we told everybody 

AI4H053_a: To 

Gavin: avoid it.

Gavin: Although the last time we talked about, this is the humane AI pen, and it really did get crapped on this week. Um, the last time we talked about it, we're like, Hey, maybe it won't be so bad. Turns out it was just as bad as people thought, as we thought as

AI4H053_a: well. Surprise. We're going to get 

Gavin: Plus,

AI4H053_a: Drake 

AI4H053_a: and 

AI4H053_a: Kendrick Lamar 

AI4H053_a: are 

AI4H053_a: battling, and 

AI4H053_a: no, 

AI4H053_a: these 

AI4H053_a: are not 

AI4H053_a: new AI chatbots. These are 

AI4H053_a: some 

AI4H053_a: world 

AI4H053_a: famous hip hopsmen, and they are in fact feuding, but artificial intelligence is involved, and we will let you 

Gavin: know 

Gavin: how. Yeah,

Gavin: it's interesting. There's been a lot of confusion around what's 

Gavin: AI, 

Gavin: what's not AI. And this is the kind of thing we've been telling everybody out there. 

Gavin: AI 

Gavin: is going believe

 

AI4H053_a: All 

AI4H053_a: that plus an overview of Adobe's magical AI features for premiere. A look at some powerful new music creation software that Gavin [00:02:00] really did a deep dive on.

AI4H053_a: And we will reveal how Elvis might be coming for your favorite AI tools.

Gavin: Elvis has not left the building. He has actually gotten AI tools. I'm sorry.

AI4H053_a: Uh, what was it? That's a very long 

AI4H053_a: announcement to come over the loudspeaker. Can we say that?

AI4H053_a: What was that again?

Gavin: I'm sorry. We won't be saying it again. That is the only time you will hear it. Okay. Well, uh, Well, 

Gavin: okay. Okay. Before we start, there's a couple of things. One, we want to let everybody know we're going to be having a branding update soon, which is very exciting.

Gavin: We have a new logo. We have some new fonts, all that's going to be coming down the next couple of weeks. We can't promise this next week, but we're very lucky that we had somebody who designed a new brand for us. You will be seeing a new look AI for humans. You'll still see our faces every once in a while, but you Which is exciting

AI4H053_a: AI for human 

AI4H053_a: heads, 

AI4H053_a: you got the scoop here. There's been a lot of clamor and a 

AI4H053_a: lot of chatter on the 

Gavin: about our brand. I want to let people know in case they're 

AI4H053_a: You gotta get ready. This is like telling the 

Gavin: baby 

Gavin: daddy's 

Gavin: going to shave. 

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Gavin: episode, which we will do at some point soon.

Gavin: Would have been smart to do that for today, but what do you know? 

AI4H053_a: okay. There's 

AI4H053_a: so 

AI4H053_a: much 

AI4H053_a: news, 

AI4H053_a: Gavin. We 

AI4H053_a: actually 

AI4H053_a: have to 

AI4H053_a: get into it. 

Gavin: Let's do it. It's time 

AI4H053_a: for 

AI4H053_a: the news. 

Gavin: A lot of big news this week, the biggest story that we saw come down was Adobe, 

Gavin: which we all 

Gavin: love Adobe, Adobe's Photoshop, , Premiere pro, all of their big, , creative services, Adobe released a video that had a lot of people talking, and it really surprised me because they're introducing both AI, additional AI [00:04:00] tools, including generative video, AI tools into their video program, but there are going to be partnering with With third party AI services, including Sora, which was kind of surprising.

Gavin: I 

AI4H053_a: thought,

AI4H053_a: yeah, very cool announcement video. the overview is that they showed off some cool AI features like video in painting, which would allow you to take a shot, select a section of it, and then tell the video Firefly model, Hey, I want, in their example, it was, I want the diamonds in this briefcase 

AI4H053_a: to be

AI4H053_a: larger 

AI4H053_a: diamonds. 

AI4H053_a: in the briefcase. 

Gavin: Right. 

Gavin: The 

Gavin: other thing they 

Gavin: did, which was they eliminated a, like a spews box on the wall. And one of the cool things that's really awesome about this is it's able to select object by object. So you don't have to just lasso around it in a hard way.

Gavin: You can literally highlight over an object in this object. They highlight over the fuse box. They say, remove it. And they removed it from a video shot, which is a really useful tool. If you're out there making

AI4H053_a: films. Yeah, a smart masking feature. my wife has been trying to do this with her wedding ring. She's been trying to delete the tiny, fake little cubic zirconia that's there and telling the AI, [00:05:00] Larger 

AI4H053_a: diamond. Did it work?

AI4H053_a: Well, 

AI4H053_a: no, she

AI4H053_a: doesn't 

AI4H053_a: have 

AI4H053_a: the 

AI4H053_a: latest 

AI4H053_a: Adobe. I There you go. that. you 

AI4H053_a: can buy that for 

Gavin: her instead of a new ring,

AI4H053_a: Yeah, it's too 

AI4H053_a: cheap. 

AI4H053_a: She's gonna get

AI4H053_a: MS Paint, and 

AI4H053_a: I'm 

AI4H053_a: gonna put a sticky 

AI4H053_a: note 

AI4H053_a: over the toolbar 

AI4H053_a: and be like, Honey. 

AI4H053_a: Look, it's Adobe, but to your point earlier, the Sora, Runway, and Pika integration.

AI4H053_a: Now, if you're a first time listener to the podcast, you're like, what are those things? These are video generation models. There's three different ones. Sora by OpenAI, Runway by 

AI4H053_a: RunwayML, and Pika, which is Pika Labs, essentially. But they all allow you to generate video by using text and using artificial intelligence.

AI4H053_a: And what Adobe is doing is integrating those models together. directly into Premiere Pro. So in their examples, it's a person looking longingly out a window, Gavin. And they whisper to the AI, generate a shot of 

AI4H053_a: the Tokyo 

AI4H053_a: skyline, or of our protagonist driving the highways at night.

AI4H053_a: And it does 

Gavin: a 

Gavin: pretty 

Gavin: good 

Gavin: job.

Gavin: Pretty couple of interesting things about the Sora implementation here. If you noticed when that happened, there were three different clips that showed 

Gavin: up. 

Gavin: We don't know how long they took, but that's a pretty [00:06:00] cool thing. If you've got three choices to pull from each time, like being able to say, I like that one is a really awesome way to do this.

Gavin: I'm kind of surprised Adobe is now saying, we're just going to throw open the door because Firefly is their main AI model. They're at Firefly 2 and they're working on Firefly video. I'm surprised. They're just going to say anybody use it. But Adobe's main business, we have to remember is the tool set, right?

Gavin: Is the editing tool set, is Photoshop. 

AI4H053_a: we'll sell our big hammer and you will go probably pay per nail because that's something 

AI4H053_a: that they, 

AI4H053_a: you know, 

AI4H053_a: it's obviously it's yeah.

AI4H053_a: It's early days for these tools. There's no indication on when we're going to get our hands 

AI4H053_a: on 

AI4H053_a: them. 

AI4H053_a: And especially no indication of how much they're going to cost. Like, are you going to have to have separate subscriptions for each of these models and then plug them into Adobe? Are they going to try to roll that up into one, New subscription tier where you pay Adobe and get a certain amount of generations.

AI4H053_a: Completely unknown right now, but cool that they're doing it. And it does help distract a little bit from , the wrist slapping that Adobe got by some a couple of weeks ago. 

Gavin: [00:07:00] So the the funniest thing is this weird story is adobe's firefly was always the idea was we're going to create an ai image model from stock footage We own you use legal It is possible to use this 

AI4H053_a: without 

AI4H053_a: getting we're artists and creator centric. We would never 

AI4H053_a: take a artificial 

AI4H053_a: generation or someone 

Gavin: else's 

Gavin: work 

Gavin: and 

Gavin: sweep 

Gavin: it 

Gavin: into 

Gavin: our 

Gavin: data

Gavin: set. Well, 

Gavin: it 

Gavin: turns out part 

Gavin: of 

Gavin: their 

Gavin: data 

Gavin: set might have been mid journey based, which we know the issues that have happened with mid journey in the past, what they've got in their legal background, so maybe there, Kevin, there is no clean but Firefly was supposed to be the clean one, and 

AI4H053_a: we're in a 

Gavin: situation where it might have been muddled as 

AI4H053_a: well.

AI4H053_a: Well, they're saying that creators were allowed to submit, , stills. Into their data program.

AI4H053_a: And some people may have submit AI imagery and not labeled it. Adobe said that it's a small amount, about 5 percent of the images that were used by the tool were generated. With other AI platforms, 

AI4H053_a: but yes, maybe all 

Gavin: data 

Gavin: is dirt. I

Gavin: think 

Gavin: at 

Gavin: this 

Gavin: point I keep hearing podcasts and people interviewed and say like, look, it already happened.

Gavin: And [00:08:00] unfortunately that's kind of the situation we're 

Gavin: in. We've talked about this a thousand times in this podcast. We always want to see artists get paid for people that are using their goods. Maybe there will be a Spotify model, which Kevin has mentioned. Maybe there'll be some future world where you could at least get like a 50 paycheck a images are being trained on.

Gavin: But right now it is because we just don't know. 

AI4H053_a: . Well, here's the other thing, Gav, is that every time a tool comes out, anytime there's a celebration 

AI4H053_a: of something in AI, the creatives get behind it and say, this is terrible. You're destroying our art.

AI4H053_a: Here we have Adobe 

AI4H053_a: trumpeting several AI tools, which are going to remove some of 

AI4H053_a: the drudgery 

AI4H053_a: in 

AI4H053_a: editing, right? Yeah. Deleting objects. creating new shots where there weren't shots was something that they showed off, right? Yeah. I don't see too many people crying foul over this. Is it because it's, you know, it's Adobe. And so 

AI4H053_a: these are tools that creatives are already using. And 

AI4H053_a: they're saying, Oh, this is going to make my workflow faster, even though 

AI4H053_a: it's essentially 

Gavin: the 

Gavin: same 

Gavin: technology 

Gavin: that 

Gavin: we've 

Gavin: been 

Gavin: talking 

Gavin: about. in part, why they're [00:09:00] not showing a lot of anger that there are using it to adjust and work with footage that looks like it was shot in the real world.

Gavin: This is a little bit, not yet. And there will be versions of this where, you know, generated out of the blue footage. With 

Gavin: Sora, you were 

Gavin: generating a, uh, from a text prompt in this instance, what Adobe is showing is, Hey, you can use these tools to manipulate footage that you've already shot and save yourself five to 10 hours of work.

Gavin: That's really useful to create it. So I think that's true, but they're not showing off. new

AI4H053_a: I guess what they didn't say is, you know, what's 

AI4H053_a: also useful, not 

AI4H053_a: having to have a camera in the first 

AI4H053_a: place and pesky human actors in front 

AI4H053_a: of it. Let's 

AI4H053_a: generate that on the timeline 

Gavin: because 

Gavin: it's 

Gavin: the 

Gavin: same 

Gavin: technology. 

AI4H053_a: They can do. Yes, exactly. All right. Let's move on to our next story. we've talked a lot about this. The humane AI pin was a. A big promise. There was a, you don't have one. I I don't have one. I have a lot, but do have you

AI4H053_a: wait. Oh 

AI4H053_a: no. I 

AI4H053_a: can feel my wallet 

AI4H053_a: though. And it 

AI4H053_a: does have 

AI4H053_a: $700 in it, which is nice. 

Gavin: smart. 

Gavin: So the humane item with [00:10:00] the idea with this was it was a pin that you could touch and it would respond to you with an AI built in that a laser projector on your hand, all of this seemed very cool.

Gavin: The reviews of this product came out this week and they are bad. I mean, these are like astronomically bad. These are some of the worst reviews I've seen in a while. And I think my takeaway on this, most of the reviews are because they don't Also, the tech was not great. So 

AI4H053_a: what went wrong 

Gavin: here with the AI pen?

AI4H053_a: according to all the reviews, everything went wrong. There's 

AI4H053_a: not a single positive glowing review. The only, shred of 

AI4H053_a: hope buried within the reviews are this is a 

AI4H053_a: hint at the promise of the future. But as the tech 

AI4H053_a: exists today, though, it's 

AI4H053_a: impressive. They got it into a small form factor. The battery seems to die quickly. It seems to overheat a lot because it's 

AI4H053_a: doing that wireless charging thing with a magnetic. 

AI4H053_a: Battery that sits 

Gavin: behind 

Gavin: your 

Gavin: shirt. 

AI4H053_a: So 

AI4H053_a: it's overheating 

Gavin: It is a swappable

AI4H053_a: and you will 

AI4H053_a: be managing that battery multiple times a day.

AI4H053_a: Apparently it's [00:11:00] slow. It requires a 20 some odd dollar a month 

AI4H053_a: connection to the cloud 

AI4H053_a: so that 

AI4H053_a: it 

Gavin: can wirelessly 

Gavin: even worse. There 

Gavin: are no apps for it. So anything you want to do on it goes through the humane app alone, but then you can't do stuff like. Call an Uber. You can't do stuff like call Spotify. In fact, title is the official music partner. And if you don't have a title account, you're kind of SOL. I want to shout out Marquez, Marquez Brownlee's review of this, which we're, I'm a big fan.

Gavin: We're both fans of Marquez. Marquez really got a lot of crap for how negative this review was. And if you watch the review, he really did spend like the first third or half of it, almost like talking about the cool factor, like from a, from a production standpoint, this little thing is really interesting and it's well made and all this other stuff.

Gavin: But then he really also went into how this thing isn't doing what it's promised to do. And that 

AI4H053_a: the 

AI4H053_a: ultimate the title of the video 

AI4H053_a: was 

Gavin: the 

AI4H053_a: product I've 

AI4H053_a: ever reviewed. 

Gavin: Right for now, he

Gavin: said 

AI4H053_a: For 

AI4H053_a: now, of course, of course, but that seems to be where the division 

AI4H053_a: [00:12:00] is, I think in a lot of the audience is that 

AI4H053_a: some people are saying, Marques, you 

AI4H053_a: have 

AI4H053_a: a 

AI4H053_a: platform, you have a quote responsibility, you could 

AI4H053_a: single handedly 

AI4H053_a: sync a company like Fisker 

AI4H053_a: with 

AI4H053_a: the automotive manufacturer, which he did a couple of 

AI4H053_a: weeks ago, or Humane 

AI4H053_a: here. 

AI4H053_a: but the division in the audience 

AI4H053_a: is 

AI4H053_a: like, should you be saying the, is it actually 

AI4H053_a: the worst 

Gavin: product 

Gavin: ever? 

Gavin: Or are you 

Gavin: saying 

Gavin: that to get 

Gavin: people 

Gavin: to click

Gavin: I don't know. That's a 

Gavin: good 

Gavin: question, right? Because it is.

Gavin: Right now it 

Gavin: is an absolute failure of a product. And I think that that is something that, you know, a normal company probably wouldn't release this. There is an argument. People have said online that a startup should be allowed to throw out products and fail this, I will say 700. It's already bucks a month.

Gavin: The videos of this that came out originally were promising that this was going to be, the guy was a former Apple 

Gavin: engineer, iPhone engineer. 

Gavin: You would expect something to come out at a much higher level. I think what happened with too far over their They promised a lot and I am not convinced that [00:13:00] voice in public is the standard for because I think as much as we love voice to models are great.

Gavin: There's a lot of work that goes into hey, tell me this or hey, tell me that has to be simpler It has to be quieter. Maybe it'll be when we get brain interfaces and like we can just think the thing

Gavin: No, that's what I mean. Yeah, 

Gavin: exactly 

Gavin: But 

Gavin: like I don't know if that it feels like in between

AI4H053_a: by the way, I don't know how you side on the Marquez of it all. Like, I think he was justified for

AI4H053_a: saying that as the YouTube title, because he also says it in the video itself. It's not like he went with that later.

AI4H053_a: To get the clicks in but 

AI4H053_a: he released a short little snippet that has him using the humane pen, tapping it, saying, what am I looking 

AI4H053_a: at? Or what is this? 

AI4H053_a: And 

AI4H053_a: while he's waiting for that 

AI4H053_a: request 

AI4H053_a: to go to the cloud, to have the image analyzed, he takes out his phone, snaps a photo of the cyber truck that he's staring at and 

AI4H053_a: gets the answer 

AI4H053_a: instantaneously with a 

AI4H053_a: smart device.

AI4H053_a: And that is going to be 

AI4H053_a: the hurdle that [00:14:00] All of these tech startups have to leap 

AI4H053_a: with their hardware. You've got to beat 

AI4H053_a: the thing 

Gavin: that we 

Gavin: all 

Gavin: have 

Gavin: in 

Gavin: our 

Gavin: pockets 

Gavin: already.

Gavin: And I think speed is a big part of it, right? Because like one of the things last week or week before last, we talked, we did Hume 

Gavin: AI, which was the 

Gavin: back and forth with the emotional vocal AI. What was cool about that is it was responding really quickly, 

Gavin: when something goes to the cloud has to call the cloud, come back down. It just may not be the right response time right now. Now we're going to get better and faster. 

Gavin: So that will 

Gavin: improve, but we are so far, I feel is.

Gavin: Like you're probably. Three

AI4H053_a: want. I think so. Now there's another company that were responsible for a program called rewind, which was piece of software.

AI4H053_a: You could run locally on your 

AI4H053_a: computer. 

AI4H053_a: It would 

AI4H053_a: gather all of your data securely, privately, and let you go back and search for things, search your 

AI4H053_a: PDFs, find 

AI4H053_a: tickets 

AI4H053_a: and emails.

AI4H053_a: And now they've rebranded as a product called limitless and it is a 

AI4H053_a: foldable 

AI4H053_a: little, uh, [00:15:00] lapel ish pen. Yeah, it's like a little pendant that basically just listens and 

AI4H053_a: transcribes all 

AI4H053_a: of the things that you say. Now, there's some privacy controls built into that, but they're going a different route with it, Gavin. They're going 99. 

AI4H053_a: It 

AI4H053_a: can sync to your devices later through, 

AI4H053_a: I think, Bluetooth or Wi Fi, but the idea being that, You're just going to gather so much 

AI4H053_a: data with this pin. It's not for the, Hey, where am I 

AI4H053_a: standing? What am I looking at? What am I doing? 

AI4H053_a: This is just to gather all your 

AI4H053_a: data 

AI4H053_a: and give 

Gavin: you 

Gavin: and 

Gavin: help 

Gavin: you And that seems like a hundred dollars for a wearable. That's really to just remember stuff for you. That's something I could see working right now because you're not trying to interact with it. You're going to go back later and see what you can do, what you did during the course of the day. That feels like a use case of an AI wearable.

Gavin: That's really good. 

Gavin: I will 

Gavin: say they look a because it's like you wear them around your neck like a gold 70s, right? They have different 

Gavin: colors and that could be gold, but like, it's a, it's going to be interesting to see like, are people going to start walking 

Gavin: around with

Gavin: this? 

AI4H053_a: want a 

AI4H053_a: smart 

AI4H053_a: [00:16:00] Bolo. me 

Gavin: a 

Gavin: big 

Gavin: chunk of true voice. That's actually a good idea. 

AI4H053_a: Right. 

AI4H053_a: make 

AI4H053_a: that 

Gavin: product. We should make limitless in the bolo form. 

AI4H053_a: right. 

Gavin: That's incredible. X 

Gavin: limitless 

AI4H053_a: special 

AI4H053_a: collab 

Gavin: We're going to move. We're going to move to New 

Gavin: Mexico. We'll be 

Gavin: in Santa 

Gavin: Fe We'll start 

Gavin: a little business.

Gavin: That'll be 

AI4H053_a: But That's our 

AI4H053_a: future. 

Gavin: When two of us are going to retire together I think you should check it out. It's called

AI4H053_a: Limitless. 

AI4H053_a: Yeah. 99. it, I think it starts shipping in 

AI4H053_a: August and again, 99 bucks, 

AI4H053_a: no 

AI4H053_a: subscription fee, which is great. And the battery lasts 

AI4H053_a: for 

Gavin: a 

Gavin: hundred 

Gavin: hours, 

Gavin: which

Gavin: is what you need really. Right. Because

Gavin: like when you have an Apple watch, right. I remember when the Apple watch first came out and you had to charge up more than once a day. God, it was unbelievable. You was just useless. And then what you want as a wearable is that you just put it on, you forget about it.

AI4H053_a: We're going to move on, but we want humane to do well.

AI4H053_a: We want 

AI4H053_a: wearables

AI4H053_a: to do well, but you probably got to run your AI locally. You got to run it on device or else it's just going to take too long to be 

Gavin: useful.

Gavin: It's not a great time for Rabbit. We'll say that. Like, it'll be interesting to see. Now, Rabbit, I have always loved because that is a cooler looking 

AI4H053_a: device.

AI4H053_a: Sure. kind of a 

Gavin: fun and [00:17:00] gadgety thing. It's only 200 bucks, I think, right? Versus no 

AI4H053_a: fee, at least. Supposedly.

AI4H053_a: So 

Gavin: we'll see. Those are going to be shipping sometime what comes out with those. 

AI4H053_a: you know, it'd be great.

AI4H053_a: Rabbit 

AI4H053_a: comes out, starts to 

AI4H053_a: get a little mind share. A little market share. Yeah. Then they use the onboard AI to write diss tracks 

AI4H053_a: and you

AI4H053_a: got 

AI4H053_a: Rabbit

AI4H053_a: X humane because apparently Gavin 

AI4H053_a: AI Rap tracks and diss battles are all the rage.

Gavin: All right, so let's dive into the story. This is a pretty big mainstream story. And we want to talk about it here because there's a really significant AI angle.

Gavin: Um, if you're not familiar with the hip hop world, there has been some beef going on between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, um, future and also J Cole. These are all big rappers. If you're not a hip hop fan, you probably have still heard of them. , there's an, a song that came out where Kendrick and J Cole and please hip hop heads, please don't kill me if I'm absolutely wrong, 

Gavin: Kendrick 

Gavin: and J Cole 

Gavin: both had done some sort of a disagreement Drake on a song, a song came out a couple of days ago.

Gavin: randomly appeared on the [00:18:00] internet. That was Drake clapping back, meaning that he was coming back at these guys, some pretty significant, you know, shit talking in the world of, of, of hip hop had some things to say. No one really knew whether this was or not, because remember The biggest AI song to date was Ghost Riders, Drake and the Weekend track that really in the beginning, everybody thought was in 

Gavin: part real, at 

Gavin: least 

Gavin: the 

Gavin: Drake part. Now, Drake, this track comes out. Everybody's confused or they're not sure what it is. Drake has gone on Instagram and acknowledge something.

Gavin: But 

Gavin: when I 

Gavin: say 

Gavin: he acknowledged 

Gavin: something, he put up a picture of Uma Thurman from kill bill, which is that whole movie is about revenge. Right? So he's coming out. So we assume that that is a real track now. I think at this, as of right now, it has not been, confirmed fully. But then what happened was a Kendrick Lamar track came out afterwards, supposedly coming back at Drake.

Gavin: And that has been proven to be AI. And it confused a lot of people. And the reason I want to talk about this story is we've talked about on this podcast, many, many times how in the future, you're [00:19:00] not going to know what's true or what's not. And we always think, Oh, it'd be easy to tell. This is a perfect example in the mainstream of mass confusion, 

Gavin: right? No one really knows who did what. And so. And we're not sure now, the Kendrick song supposedly is not as good as what Kendrick would normally do. So people call that out as AI pretty quickly. The Drake song was pretty good. So people thought it might've been real. And it turns out it might've been real.

Gavin: But there was 

Gavin: and 

AI4H053_a: the whole 

AI4H053_a: thing is 

AI4H053_a: dumb.

AI4H053_a: No. The whole thing is silly, and I'll 

AI4H053_a: tell you 

AI4H053_a: why. Like, 

AI4H053_a: oh, oh, I wrote a mean song 

AI4H053_a: about you? 

AI4H053_a: We've 

AI4H053_a: been doing that 

AI4H053_a: for decades. 

AI4H053_a: let's 

AI4H053_a: up the game. Like, release a, like a

AI4H053_a: a dis Roblox world. know, like,

Gavin: why

Gavin: don't why don't you craft a metaverse? Give me a Minecraft

AI4H053_a: mod. my, you go

Gavin: into my Fortnite world? Yes! wrappers almost. Sure. And world. Yeah. And you stomp on people. Yeah. Gimme some UGC, unlockable cosmetics. If I hang out for your meta

Gavin: diss. I will say, the fact that Drake shouted [00:20:00] out how short Kendrick is, I felt bad. Short Kings out there.

Gavin: We love you. We're sorry. I, people should not be making fun of people for being 5'7 I I don't think that's fair in I 

Gavin: just 

Gavin: think 

AI4H053_a: get something more exciting 

Gavin: than 

Gavin: just 

Gavin: an 

Gavin: mp3 

Gavin: file.

Gavin: I, again, 

Gavin: and this is just a question of like, it's a point of how AI is affecting not just

AI4H053_a: in the AI

Gavin: but the overall world at 

AI4H053_a: large.

AI4H053_a: And 

AI4H053_a: because of 

AI4H053_a: friggin Elvis? We might not even get to enjoy 

Gavin: AI 

Gavin: fakes 

Gavin: anymore? 

Gavin: Because 

Gavin: of frigging.

Gavin: Elvis?

Gavin: That's 

Gavin: right. So 

Gavin: Tennessee is the first state in America to pass a law that is against AI cloning, basically.

Gavin: And it's called the Elvis Act, which is Ensuring Likeness, Voice, and Image Security Act. And it's called Elvis because it's from Memphis, which 

Gavin: is where 

Gavin: Elvis is from. , and the idea here is this is a state trying to get ahead of the idea of this AI voice thing. Obviously Tennessee is also where Nashville is, right?

Gavin: Where the country western music world exists and [00:21:00] kind of is born from. I think that you're going to see a lot more of these things come at a local level. Some people say that well enough. And I think we're We're going to have to see what is federal law versus state law look like in this instance, but

AI4H053_a: well, 

AI4H053_a: here's the part, can 

AI4H053_a: I get into the 

AI4H053_a: murky water part? Because it's one thing to say, Hey, you can't clone a voice, even 

AI4H053_a: if you're 

AI4H053_a: doing 

AI4H053_a: a 

AI4H053_a: close impersonation of it, that's not allowed, here's the part where it gets 

AI4H053_a: murky.

AI4H053_a: It, quote, creates liability for anyone who makes available tools whose primary purpose is 

AI4H053_a: replicating an individual's voice or image without authorizing it. Authorization. 

AI4H053_a: That's a handful of words that paint a very, very, broad target on a bunch of different websites, a bunch of different tools, a bunch 

AI4H053_a: of 

AI4H053_a: different things that already exist today 

AI4H053_a: who 

AI4H053_a: just allow you to create things.

Gavin: But 

Gavin: who's 

Gavin: the 

Gavin: primary 

Gavin: purpose 

Gavin: is 

Gavin: or 

Gavin: isn't 

Gavin: to 

Gavin: clone 

Gavin: somebody. 

Gavin: This

Gavin: is where we go again with AI law.

Gavin: It's going to be really hard because people are going to be making these laws that have no idea really how these tools are used. [00:22:00] They just see the end product in the bad way, right? the, what's the worst version of how this could come out. And then you back the law up against that. And suddenly you might have things that feel like they should be fine and they're not anymore.

AI4H053_a: Yeah. There's going to be a really weird set of first 

AI4H053_a: amendment arguments with stuff like this. could this law 

AI4H053_a: apply to stuff that 

AI4H053_a: already 

AI4H053_a: exists that has already been released, if so get ready 

Gavin: for 

Gavin: a bunch 

Gavin: of 

Gavin: tools 

Gavin: and 

Gavin: services 

Gavin: to get 

Gavin: 11 labs is going to 

Gavin: have a really hard time with this kind of law 

Gavin: because 11 labs allows you to clone anybody right now.

Gavin: Conceivably right now. I don't know what their, you, uh, you ULA says or what 

Gavin: their laws 

Gavin: say 

Gavin: inside, but like I can take any audio and clone any audio within now. And that might 

AI4H053_a: change,

AI4H053_a: you know, fun 

AI4H053_a: fact. 

AI4H053_a: Someone recently, had an issue with their Eleven 

AI4H053_a: Labs 

AI4H053_a: account because maybe someone cloned a 

AI4H053_a: pop 

AI4H053_a: star, 

AI4H053_a: let's say Taylor Swift, for their AI

AI4H053_a: podcast Wow, really? And, and got

AI4H053_a: hit with an audio 

AI4H053_a: fingerprinting issue 

AI4H053_a: and was told to submit additional proof the original voice had to be 

AI4H053_a: reading 

AI4H053_a: a 

AI4H053_a: Special consent paragraph.

Gavin: [00:23:00] Oh, wow. That's new. That's very, that's

Gavin: new. certainly 

AI4H053_a: is 

AI4H053_a: new, 

AI4H053_a: Gavin.

AI4H053_a: Certainly is. wouldn't allow somebody

AI4H053_a: to use the model 

AI4H053_a: that they cloned of 

AI4H053_a: Taylor Swift 

AI4H053_a: for for a speaking

Gavin: were doing 

Gavin: in a 

AI4H053_a: Floridian 

Gavin: location. 

Gavin: Somebody. 

Gavin: somebody 

Gavin: could not use that. That's true. 

Gavin: Okay. Before we go away from the news, there's one last very dumb story. And I feel very sad, pour one out. for the geek squad.

Gavin: Best buy has said that they are laying off people, including geek squad members and replacing them with AI. One thing people talk a lot about with jobs right now is like, supposedly there's all these jobs out there.

Gavin: And yet a lot of people we know are not working. And it's kind of a big thing. I think what you're going to see over time is companies continually finding ways to use AI, whether it's going to be better or not. And probably not better in the narrow down their And that's just the world we're going to be

AI4H053_a: In the long write up about the fact that the geek squad is getting let go, it references several times that sales across the board at Best Buy are just down, right?

AI4H053_a: Geek squad is there [00:24:00] to support the products that they sell. Obviously they can support other products, but primarily you buy something. They try to upsell you a protection

AI4H053_a: plan, right? So if your sales are down, It's not AI's fault necessarily that your sales are down. Are they trying to use AI to mask this?

AI4H053_a: Or are they trying to provide an additional service or something while using it as 

Gavin: a coverup?

Gavin: Well, I will say this, the Geek Squad's main experience is you're there to help very inexperienced technical people through their technical journey, right?

Gavin: Now, sometimes the Geek Squad does go to a home and set stuff up, but a lot of it is phone, or a lot of it is like in person question asking. Right. That is a pretty obvious replacement spot for chatbots right now. This is what I was getting. They may not be nearly as good right now. But chatbots can do that job in some form or another.

Gavin: Now, it was, I don't know if they can help my mom figure out her file system on her Mac. And I can't either. So thank God. the Geek Squad is not gone yet.

Gavin: Let's just put it that way. 

AI4H053_a: chat bot is going 

AI4H053_a: to write a diss track and 

AI4H053_a: start slamming your mom.

Gavin: No, please 

Gavin: don't. 

AI4H053_a: [00:25:00] I'm telling you. coming after them. 

Kevin: Well that's the news.

Gavin: We, this week, uh, we do not have any Ico hosts. We are sorry. It is, whenever we are on the road, it's a little bit trickier for us to do the back and

Kevin: forth. flight hotel. It just doesn't amortize. Soon

Gavin: we will have a team of twelve people that travel with us wherever we go, who can set up our studio room ahead of time. So nice. That's not right now. We're getting there soon.

Kevin: I like 'cause like the rock when he flies anywhere. Yeah. Do you know he, there's a separate plane

Gavin: that brings his

Kevin: that brings his gym and sets it up. I want that for ai. I want that for our podcast. That'd

Gavin: could just go from the hotel to hotel and set up the, all we need is probably a 50 million 

Kevin: Yeah, or

Kevin: 50 million more listeners. So make sure you like,

Kevin: subscribe, leave a comment,

Kevin: and share it. But Gavin, every week you and I dive through 

Kevin: various AI feeds, looking for 

Kevin: gems that we can unearth and bring the audience. And sometimes, 

Kevin: a 

Kevin: piece of content stops you in 

Kevin: your 

Kevin: tracks.

Kevin: It stops your scroll and it makes you say, 

Kevin: Hey! Hey,

Gavin: [00:26:00] see, I

Gavin: see 

Kevin: what you 

Kevin: did

Kevin: there. 

Gavin: there. There was an incredibly viral clip that I want to make sure the person that created it gets a shout out. If you've seen the Little Yachty into almost 

Gavin: everything 

Gavin: else video, you'll see it on the YouTube video, but

Kevin: video,

Kevin: People are like, what? No, I saw a video 

Kevin: of the Joker coming out on stage at a festival, 

Kevin: dancing 

Gavin: It was, 

Gavin: somebody took a Little Yachty coming out on stage and they put the Joker on 

Gavin: it, and then 

Gavin: a thousand other things happened. Elon, uh, 

Kevin: you know,

Kevin: Conan O'Brien. my 

Gavin: O'Brien. All sorts of different people. So, what's 

Gavin: cool about this is it was a meme template. It became a thing. But there was a person named 

Gavin: AI 

Gavin: Warper who was the first person to post the actual video and showed what they [00:27:00] did.

Gavin: And Kevin, 

Gavin: this is using a tool that we talked about in the show. It's using Vigil. So if you remember, Vigil really specifically takes the image of something you see a video, Allows you to take a single image and then marry it onto the video so that the video suddenly looks like the image itself.

Gavin: So in this instance, AI Warper, 

Gavin: and it wasn't 

Gavin: just that for this, there's a much longer detailed workflow that we will link in our show notes, but they used Vigil to take the Joker, a photo of the Joker, and then put it on little Yachty's body. And it's very 

Gavin: fun because how often you get to see the Joker walk out at like a big festival 

Gavin: perform. I do 

Gavin: want to also say. If you are sharing people's videos on social media, please shout them out. Because 

Gavin: one of the things that I find 

Gavin: myself so annoyed by is that a video will take off like this Joker video took off so many AI people or people are just posting the 

Gavin: at this 

Gavin: incredible thing, looking for the engagement, find the original 

Gavin: video. It's there 

Gavin: most of the time in the thing, the person that made it. Just at them, 

Gavin: show them a little bit of love and 

Kevin: that they There was a time in the internet where like the [00:28:00] e bombs world, if you will, there were these sites that would just rip off video content,

Kevin: would cover up

Kevin: watermarks, and people would 

Kevin: get mad. 

Kevin: like at 

Kevin: least give me credit.

Kevin: We are so far away from that now, where everybody just reposts everything. We gotta Get back to that. So, name and shame the people who don't name and credit the originators. We're gonna do that 

Kevin: right now. A person by the name of John 

Kevin: Finger posted a workflow that made me say, 

Kevin: Hey! 

Gavin: I 

Gavin: see what 

Gavin: you did 

Gavin: there.

Kevin: See? 

Kevin: you did. 

Kevin: fingers. I got

Gavin: fingers. John 

Gavin: Finger.

Gavin: John Finger posted a very

Gavin: John Finger, Jane Finger, Paul Finger, George Finger,

Kevin: Ringo finger. Which

Kevin: is where, which

Kevin: is where your jewelry goes. On your Ringo finger.

Kevin: John Finger had a sketch 2 animated 3D model workflow that 

Kevin: I really 

Kevin: dug and he shared how he 

Kevin: made it and 

Kevin: it was very cool If you check out 

Kevin: the video, he sketched 

Kevin: pieces of a robot in Procreate, which is like an iPad drawing tool He 

Kevin: then took that and transferred the 

Kevin: style in Magnific, which is an AI up resing tool 

Kevin: He then converted those 2D images to 3D [00:29:00] using 3D 

Kevin: AI Studio.

Kevin: He took performance capture with 

Kevin: Move AI, which looks at a human body that's 

Kevin: moving about and creates the motion from it, and then camera tracked everything together in Cinema 4D. 

Kevin: And what you get, if you see the video 

Kevin: version of this 

Kevin: podcast, 

Kevin: Is John sort of standing there, as a full 3d robot behind him is moving about 

Kevin: animated to his movements 

Kevin: that 

Kevin: again, he went from a sketch on an iPad and then using AI tools and 

Kevin: techniques along the way, turned it into a fully motion tracked, amazing looking 3d model.

Kevin: And this is what we are always screaming about 

Kevin: when we say. Learn these tools and start adapting your own 

Kevin: techniques because 

Kevin: there is not a single tool 

Kevin: there that is going to replace an artist. But there 

Kevin: is an artist there that is going to be made a thousand times more productive 

Gavin: because they're 

Gavin: leveraging

Gavin: these tools.

Gavin: That's right. And just a shout out again to Magnific, which I know we talked about early on. It's a paid tool and a lot of people are like, that's so much money. But 

Gavin: I just saw 

Gavin: this one today, which is pretty cool.

Gavin: It's [00:30:00] just a cool thing where you can take 

Gavin: a sketch. You can take a sketch of something 

Kevin: bring it to

Kevin: life. Whether it's a car or an architectural plan. Yeah,

Gavin: exactly. Like, so that's, 

Gavin: that's such a really cool way. If you're an artist who like wants to sketch on me out and see what it might look like as a 3d model or what it might look as a low poly model.

Gavin: Style transfer, which you can do for free, and just to be clear, you can find ways to do this 

Gavin: for 

Gavin: free 

Gavin: using Stable Diffusion, Compute UI. Magnific is really a wrapper that allows you to do it much easier. But style transfer is such a powerful tool. It really can open the door to so many things you can 

Kevin: try.

Kevin: And the good news about a thousand people like us 

Kevin: trying to cover this stuff.

Kevin: If you have an 

Kevin: interest in 

Kevin: doing something like a style transfer, you want to 

Kevin: sketch something and see 

Kevin: it appear as a 3D object 

Kevin: that isn't exactly what you sketch, you can search YouTube. Someone will have a long form how

Gavin: on how to 

Gavin: do it, 

Gavin: likely 

Gavin: for free.

Gavin: Well that's what the AI 

Gavin: worker thing, I called out earlier that that person actually shouted out somebody that did a YouTube tutorial of their process and like they [00:31:00] actually linked to that specifically, which again, will link to them in the show notes. That is such a cool thing. 'cause when 

Gavin: again, we talked 

Gavin: about comfy UI last week with PERS beats.

Gavin: But compy UI can look really 

Gavin: scary, but if 

Gavin: you can go step by step through YouTube tutorial, 

Gavin: both started this whole process, 

Gavin: Just watch a YouTube video. You can get through this stuff, which is very cool.

Kevin: you you, you, do. Oh, I'm sorry.

Kevin: I think I got a text from 

Kevin: the eighties. 

Kevin: Oh, it 

Kevin: says it's, it's time to talk about the dumb things 

Gavin: we did 

Kevin: with AI this week.

Kevin: So we're going to talk about a couple of things here. I'm going to start off. We're going to talk about

Gavin: the music AI. stuff, because we've talked a lot about Suno, there was a big kind of explosion in the AI world this week when another Suno competitor came out and there's a little bit of debate here.

Gavin: Is it UDO or UDIO? That's a question. It's spelled with a U not Y O U. So U could be something Right. Right.

Kevin: But it's audio, right? Without the A. So is it odd? Is it what now? I

Kevin: don't the

Kevin: audio. Yeah. do you do it? I don't, I, I don't [00:32:00] know

Gavin: Maybe it's radio with a U minus RA,

Gavin: Oh 

Gavin: God.

Gavin: Okay, 

Gavin: sorry. 

Gavin: We're diverging here. What UDO is, is essentially the exact same thing as Suno. Now, when it first came out, I think I was a little bit like these guys fully looked like they just lifted a lot of what Suno 

Kevin: was 

Kevin: doing.

Kevin: Correct. 

Kevin: From the 

Kevin: UI

Kevin: Also, maybe not their fault, 

Kevin: but 

Kevin: the early AI hype machine built this up. I mean, if you were on X or even on TikTok, even some threads posts about this. revolutionary new tool that was going to slam dunk Suno and, it's going to up end music industry forever. It was 

Kevin: unnecessarily unrelentingly 

Gavin: hyped 

Gavin: days 

Gavin: before it 

Gavin: actually came 

Gavin: out. Now I

Gavin: dug into it over this weekend and there's some really interesting things about it that separated from Suno. Now I want to say Suno, we love, we've been using for, for now six months plus. It is very fun. D3 is as good as a music generation has got.

Gavin: I want to tell you kind of things that separate and I'll kind of talk about what I did. So 

Gavin: the very first 

Gavin: thing I noticed on UDO was [00:33:00] that it was able to extend songs in a much cleaner, simpler way than, than, you know, now, if you're not familiar with these services, please go try them. First of all, they're super easy and super fun.

Gavin: All you really have to do is say, I want a song about this thing, 

Gavin: hit generate, 

Gavin: and you get a song back about it. Put a, put a genre in. 

Gavin: And if you're at all written songs before I tried to write little fun songs, you can make your own lyrics and it will generate to that.

Gavin: So, with Suno, you can extend or you can make them longer but it was never like the perfect scenario. With Udio, what I have found is it gives you a 30 second chunk when it comes out, and then 

Gavin: you get, 

Gavin: you can extend it and when you extend it you get the exact same song music wise. 

Gavin: You can 

Gavin: add lyrics and then it attaches another chunk of 

Gavin: time.

Gavin: And it actually 

Gavin: gives you two choices to make sure that it turns out the one you like, 

Gavin: but I was able 

Gavin: to create a two and a half minute 

Gavin: song. 

Gavin: Which was not super doable on Suno in the 

Kevin: first

Kevin: place. No, 

Kevin: your 

Kevin: song was really coherent 

Kevin: to 

Kevin: it. It really 

Gavin: felt like it 

Gavin: was 

Gavin: all 

Gavin: the 

Gavin: same song 

Gavin: throughout.

Gavin: Yes. So we talked about what the song was.

Gavin: I'm a [00:34:00] fan of like Outlaw Country from the 70s. I had seen a lot of big TikTok channels, but by the way, you know Vinyl, which we talked about, 

Gavin: Right 

Gavin: now has a song that is going like crazy viral on TikTok, 

Gavin: let's say this. I'm not sure what we have to bleep if any of it.

Gavin: There's a song called I glued my balls to my butthole again. If you're on TikTok and saw somebody. Responding to this or commenting on 

Kevin: this, song.

Kevin: Or if you're on your, your family Facebook group And someone finally 

Kevin: said, 

Kevin: I feel 

Gavin: It's exactly what they're 

Gavin: talking

Gavin: about. So anyway, I 

Gavin: took, I 

Gavin: wanted to create a song and I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about this, so just so nobody judged me, but I 

Gavin: made a 

Gavin: song. That was basically about a guy who was in a bathroom without toilet paper, 

Kevin: right? .

Kevin: .......And so I 

Kevin: you're right what you 

Kevin: know,

Kevin: Right. 

Kevin: What, you 

Kevin: know,

Kevin: and when inspiration hits you gavin I'm, sure you immediately

Gavin: that's take 

Gavin: the laptop. 

Gavin: We're gonna tell the story. We're not gonna tell the story about what happened. [00:35:00] But, so I wrote basically a, a, a verse and a 

Gavin: chorus, 

Gavin: right? And I wrote the verse and chorus and I put it into UDO and there was a version of it that came out.

Gavin: when I played it the first time, I was like, oh, that's very cool. And then I wrote another verse and a chorus and I put those in. And what's UDO is it just seamlessly continues the song. So it, it does take a while really to get the right thing. Like any AI tool, I spent a lot of time going through this and trying to figure out how many generations.

Gavin: So it took me probably about 15 generations. The first time to get the right sound, to get the right voice, to make sure it understood the words. I also then tried to do this with Suno. And I have to say, [00:36:00] UDEO had a slight better overall feeling to me, music wise, than Suno. And this is no diss on Suno, because I think they're really cool.

Gavin: But 

Kevin: do you mean the actual

Kevin: fidelity of the audio, the quality? Yeah, a lot of people are saying that. The 

Kevin: tracks that are 

Kevin: still, they're still, they feel like 

Kevin: a 

Kevin: 64 or 128k mp3 

Kevin: file. They're still a little tinny and washy, but at least with 

Gavin: I think it's stereo. Yes. And it's a cleaner

Gavin: That's exactly right.

Gavin: And another couple things that UDEO does is it does do, the voice stuff, which 

Kevin: The comedy

Kevin: samples. 

Kevin: The stand 

Kevin: up comedy samples, which came out, which are We'll do a little

Kevin: here,

Kevin: maybe. 

Kevin: Yeah. we have 

 

Kevin: really is astonishing.

Kevin: The extension feature that you're talking about is great for maintaining that coherence of a song. But what I really love is they posted an example of a quirky, campy polka ish song or strings orchestral fun. And then it's the same song, but it [00:37:00] immediately transfers into this thrash death 

Kevin: metal, crazy electric 

Kevin: guitar 

Kevin: wall of noise.

 

Gavin: And one of the best things I found on UDEO, you may have heard this is there's an incredible musical rendition of the do about Dune and 

Gavin: it's about Paul Atreides.

Gavin: And we'll play a little bit of that here, but this was like one of my favorite things. It was like. That sounds like a recording at a 

Gavin: Broadway 

Gavin: show 

Gavin: of some sort of like the, whatever, the 1969 version of the Paul Atreides song from 

Gavin: Dune that never existed, 

Gavin: existed. You can play with it for free right now. 

Gavin: I don't 

Gavin: know how long these are gonna be free. Free in this way. I mean, obviously you can pay for more [00:38:00] and I did start generating and churning through my Suno and UDO credits this weekend and I can tell.

Gavin: Okay, see if I 

Kevin: to pay 

Kevin: for 

Kevin: this. 

Gavin: Yeah, but there's a lot of free credits when you first start.

Kevin: I 

Kevin: had a boys 

Kevin: trip to Joshua Tree this weekend, Gavin, 

Kevin: and

Kevin: I about

Kevin: this. I do, 

Kevin: well, I at least want to talk about using Suno, because at first everybody 

Kevin: was very confused, and like, Kevin, please stop talking about AI, that's all you've done. 

Kevin: Since you got here. I mean, yeah, 

Kevin: and it's bad because it does permeate everything 

Kevin: But then I started just casually 

Kevin: in 

Gavin: the 

Gavin: background 

Kevin: making 

Kevin: songs about 

Kevin: whatever 

Kevin: was happening

Kevin: in the moment You know Getting lost on a hike or 

Kevin: the playing with a walmart toy that we got.

Kevin: Oh, by the 

Kevin: way 

Kevin: Tangent have you played tangents? with the little 

Kevin: spheres that have the drone propeller inside of them.

Kevin: So they're like 10 bucks. It's a single propeller from a drone that can kind of, like, it kind of self balances, but not 

Kevin: really. But it's inside of 

Kevin: a throwable little sphere. And so 

Kevin: you, 

Kevin: you 

Kevin: kind of throw 

Kevin: it up into the air, but hold onto it and the 

Kevin: motor 

Kevin: kicks

Kevin: in. And then 

Kevin: you can 

Kevin: float it

Kevin: to your friends or do big Arcing 

Gavin: Wow. [00:39:00] So 

Kevin: we 

Kevin: were 

Kevin: a 

Kevin: bunch 

Kevin: of 

Kevin: 40 plus 

Kevin: year 

Kevin: olds throwing

Kevin: in various states of sobriety, passing a Walmart toy around, but we wrote love ballads to the 

Kevin: Walmart toy. 

Kevin: so it's a fun thing to do that will now forever be memories for us having 

Gavin: songs 

Gavin: to 

Gavin: go 

Gavin: with 

Gavin: photos 

Gavin: of us 

Gavin: having a 

Gavin: good 

Gavin: time 

Gavin: That's actually a really interesting because people talk 

Gavin: I mean, I don't 

Gavin: do this But I know so many people in the world want to create these like kind of memory packages of 

Gavin: things that happen 

Gavin: You can now create a song for the time you went 

Gavin: to Orlando, 

Gavin: or you can create a song for the time your buddy got dumped at 

Gavin: some night at a 

Kevin: bar.

Kevin: cool I, I, played with COSXL, C X L. not, 

Gavin: the Cos show, is it? The Cos?

Gavin: no. Good. 

Kevin: no, 

Gavin: God. Thank God. Thank God. Just making sure. 

Kevin: different 

Kevin: Different place.

 

Kevin: COS XL is a stable diffusion wrapper. So it lets you, manipulate 

Kevin: [00:40:00] imagery. 

Kevin: You 

Kevin: can also 

Kevin: generate imagery from within 

Kevin: it, 

Kevin: but 

Kevin: basically you just use text. 

Kevin: to edit a photo. 

Kevin: And it's surprisingly good. in 

Kevin: the car when I was playing with it, 

Kevin: on the way to 

Kevin: our speaking engagement, 

Kevin: I 

Kevin: threw a photo of you in there, Gavin.

Kevin: I was like, what do we want to do with this? You said, give me a goatee. I did not expect it to give you a realistic goatee in the slightest bit. And it did. And then I put a tiny sombrero on your head. And then I put you on the beach. And when I say I 

Kevin: did all these things in the past, this might 

Kevin: mean 

Kevin: having to like, use an in painting tool and mask out a person or draw 

Kevin: boxes around 

Kevin: someone or something.

Kevin: This is just natural language editing. And it's an early form of it, but this is going to be really powerful stuff when you can just have an image of your friends and say, Hey, I want. Mickey Mouse ears on that person and let's change their shirt and let's do this. Let's do that. You're just using natural language.

Kevin: It's understanding what you want. It is 

Gavin: editing 

Gavin: the 

Gavin: image 

Gavin: and it's giving 

Kevin: you the final result all in the 

Gavin: same 

Gavin: app.

Gavin: When this gets into the Apple Google ecosystem, it will make [00:41:00] an impact in the same way that Suno and UDO are now making an impact because it's music. People can do this. That's exactly what people really want is like, they don't want to go in necessarily learn how to in paint and do all this other stuff.

Gavin: They want to put Mickey on their 

Gavin: friend and 

Gavin: be able to knock it out. And I think, again, this goes back to like, there's a lot of companies trying to do this, but the most powerful company would be is like apple to have a thing in your 

Gavin: photo

Gavin: just says exactly. Yes. want cowboy hats

Gavin: Yes.

Gavin: done.

Gavin: Yeah. And that's coming 

Gavin: for sure.

Gavin: Like, not hard. Now, who 

Gavin: owns the cowboy 

Gavin: hats? I don't know. This is a question we'll have to figure out, Kevin. 

Gavin: The 

Gavin: cowboy

Kevin: hat industry might be very upset. 

Gavin: upset about this. It's time for our five star reviews. We are shouting out the people that have given us five stars on Apple podcasts.

Gavin: We have two new ones, Kevin, for this week. The first one is from Toddles123. So Toddles, Hi, Toddles. The topic here is here's your stars. Now earn it.

Kevin: Oh

Gavin: My dad figured out how to leave a review. Okay, what do you want?

Gavin: He says the more popular the show gets, it seems you get less [00:42:00] weird. And that's no good. Let the new listeners walk in blindly to a space. Cowboy all hopped up on the monster milk. If they don't like it, they don't belong here in the first place, but my bet says they will.

Gavin: So stay weird and bring back the monster milk. 

Kevin: I love a criticism that's been 

Gavin: candy coated. 

Kevin: And a 

Kevin: nice five star shellacking, Toddles. He just knows this is the way to get our

Kevin: attention. Yeah, well it worked.

Kevin: We are here, you are seen, you are heard. And if you're wondering 

Kevin: why there's not so much extra weirdness, at least in today's 

Kevin: episode, it's because we are on 

Kevin: location and we've been a little bit out of sorts as we travel about to do these things. But yes, more monster 

Gavin: milk 

Gavin: and 

Gavin: in 2024. 

Gavin: You have our guarantee and our acts. There is a, there 

Gavin: was a song about no toilet paper, which is semi weird that you can go listen to. I think has some 

Gavin: good moments in it, but not 

Gavin: nearly 

Gavin: weird 

Gavin: enough. He has a point. He has a point. He has a point. 

Kevin: Okay. 

Gavin: one is from. Finish sandwiches, 

Gavin: Finish like the 

Gavin: country finished sandwiches. Oh, not 

Gavin: like you 

Gavin: not finished. Not, 

Kevin: not 

Kevin: [00:43:00] unfinished.

Gavin: Right. 

Kevin: Finish, finish. 

Gavin: And it says cutting edge topics. 

Gavin: Oh. I actually 

Gavin: don't use Apple Podcasts. I listen from YouTube, nor do I use AI. 

Kevin: I'm curious 

Kevin: to 

Kevin: know where this

Kevin: is 

Gavin: this is going to go. 

Gavin: I don't doing 

Gavin: here.

Gavin: How 

Gavin: do I make these 

Gavin: two 

Gavin: men 

Gavin: stop?

Gavin: My ears hurt, 

Gavin: but I 

Gavin: downloaded Apple podcast and asked AI to help me write this review 

Gavin: because I've 

Kevin: a 

Kevin: Oh, prayer hands, prayer 

Gavin: listening? Apple? 

Kevin: Did he use 

Gavin: Uh, Probably not. Okay. So we 

Gavin: AI 

Gavin: review 

Gavin: here. Welcome 

Gavin: to AI for 

Gavin: humans, where exclusive content meets groundbreaking insights as a huge fan of the host.

Gavin: Kevin Pereira and Gavin Purcell, you'll be thrilled by their infectious 

Gavin: chemistry that lights 

Gavin: up every 

Gavin: episode. Join them for behind the 

Gavin: scenes access to thought provoking discussions, 

Kevin: expert 

Kevin: analysis, in the 

Kevin: most of our time.

Kevin: I 

Kevin: know what goes on, I 

Kevin: just, I 

Kevin: I leapt 

Kevin: to 

Kevin: the last line which was, quote, 

Kevin: Originally I was gonna write, 

Gavin: I'm 

Gavin: a 

Gavin: huge 

Gavin: fan, 

Gavin: cool 

Gavin: show, [00:44:00] 

Gavin: but 

Gavin: this 

Gavin: song is a lot better.

Gavin: Thank you, Finnish Sandwiches. If you're in Finland, let us know where. Maybe we'll come visit at 

Gavin: some 

Gavin: point. 

Gavin: Oh 

Gavin: yeah, when

Gavin: we're 

Gavin: on 

Kevin: our speaking 

Kevin: tour, when we're taking Exactly, we'll go worldwide. 

Kevin: You know, have you heard about

Gavin: uh, saunas? Do you know about these?

Kevin: Bye

Gavin: everyone! No, no, 

Gavin: no,